Tinker vs Bradwarden

Tinker vs Bradwarden

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:38 pm

In a 1on1 game who will win?

Side note: Obviously the tinker user Icon in the bottom, says it all as to "who" I want to win, so ignore that^^. I want your own opinions as to who would win. Besides a lot of people have been posting a lot of 1on1 hero comparisons lately^^ Might as well join in.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:14 am

i haven't tried using tinker or bradwarden but i have seen them both fight (but not on a face off)
anyway tinker having heat sinking missile can have the upper hand on the early stage but when bradwarden having perfect item can kill him almost in an instant...
bradwarden combo attack usually goes like this:
blink-hoof stomp-attack-double edge(correct me in this skill)-attack(if enemy able to live through that...)blink-hoof stomp=ownage
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:24 am

Tinker has the advantage early game but when Bradwarden gets fat, he's in for trouble.
But, Tinker can easily out-push Brad with March of the Machines. Those goblins hurt brad too, since Brad has a huge collision size.

*shrug*

I go for Tinker with low or even no hero kills.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:27 am

bradwarden, he is simply too oairghpaoierugopasdjgoiawerhtoiwseaskldhgioaweg (big)

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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:03 pm

But bradwarden has high hp and with planeswalker and blink, and maybe linken, tinker is nothing.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:24 am

Hmmm...maybe it's time to show my tinker build^^

Since I was dealing with a friend of mine who was a pro and he was the main reason I was nicknamed Ms. Tinker (Since I have the dumbest of luck to get Tinker in an ar mode 50% of the time...I swaphero most of the time) I went to a less offensive but more on a farming skill build

level 1: March of the machine or MM
level 2: Heatseeking missile or HM
level 3: HM
level 4: MM
level 5: HM
level 6: Rearm
level 7: HM
leevl 8: MM
level 9: MM
level 10: Stat
Level 11-14: Laser
Leevl 16-17: Rearm
You know the rest

Kill build would have had laser and missile early and will not have rearm till level 11 but that's in 5v5 games were my opponents are not that good; pros are just too smart to get off guard by the laser+MM combo.

Items:
Starting:

Basilus
BOT
claritys lots and lots of clarity
Observer wards < used to missile warden from a long distance when trying to blink in unnoticed
Mid: Game

Euls
Vitality booster
Diffusal
Manta
Late game:

Guinsoo
Linkens
Radiance

As for brad just add whatever item you want to counter mine but he had

1. Dagger...he also had lots of clarity
2. Euls < yes euls to guinsoo
3. HOT
4. Manta < Used only when I use tinker it would seem.
5. Linkens
6. BOT
7. Aegis < Forgot to say that he sold off Linkens to do so. I think it was a last ditch effort, charging in to try and push^^ Plus we discovered that although he won't take damage from laser he still gets blinded^^

Rules: Only use mid lane due to irritating imbaness of tinker's ability to farm lane to lane using combo: BOT+rearm if out of mana go to fountain Tearm+Bot and he calls my build a pig especially in 5on5 games. None left for the team to farm safely...


If you want I'd say how it turned out but for now...

1. We are best buds and we already know each others tactics to heart...making for the odd builds.

2. We used our favorite heroes and have seen each other a whole lot. We know our own and each others heroes strengths and weaknesses and know fully well how to time skills and other stuff just right...especially the way he uses euls, and stomps at the right opportune moment when I land, that I can't use my own euls to save my life. For me I just evaded a lot of his blink stomps either from front to back. Thanks mostly to Tinkers 395 movement speed due to a recent patch that made tinker’s normal speed to 305.

3. It was pretty much anybodies game...especially because of the rules.

4. We have never played a 1on1 before with each other^^ we’re usually a team^^

5. You wouldn't believe my explanation even if I said everything in detail. If only I had replays^^

But in a more non favorite concept Tinker has a low potential of winning not only those he have low hp any harassment he dishes out early game with missile and laser will only harm Bradwarden slightly and can be fixed with regen items added with his life, Bradwarden if he can speak might say "Who threw that piece of paper at me". Tinker's only advantage is that he can blind warden to make him miss at last hits, Tinker's ability to farm and has one of the largest starting int in the game. Unfortunately Tinker also has one of the lowest int gains in Dota in terms of int heroes. His skills also use a lot of mana to use, especially rearm, and easily deplete his mana poolin a flash. Tinker has no natural disable unless you consider blind as a slight disability and depends mostly on spamming his skills to create raw damage. Making his skills useless as the game goes late. Tinker is also not advisable in team games since none of his skills help any one but himself. Tinker must use items like guinsoo and mekanism to be able to support at all. Tinker users also tend to be greedy when it comes to farming using MM. Though the Tinker will be dirt rich it makes farming a lot harder for his team mates and can destroy your teams potential and is highly more susceptible to die due to being dirt poor and lack of equipment.

Bradwarden though having a high potential to win with his massive life but has a low mana pool, making timing and wise, conservative use of his skills an absolute must. The Aoe of his stomp is also small making it possible to run away from a blink+stomp if you have high movement speed. Making more emphasis on using your head and conserve energy when using bradwarden. His skills can help him farm but only slightly and can drain his mana pool.


I thank Virot for my build^^
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Last edited by Nova on Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:18 am; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:21 am

Better to write it on 'my strat' section so that many people can mastering Tinker ^^
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:13 am

Err...

Who won?


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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:46 am

@yukino: er... Asking me? I've answered it bout 2 previous letter. Bradwarden for me....
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:07 am

Eh...

That was for Nova.

^_^
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:49 am

Oh sorry
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:36 am

I won^^

It was anyone’s game since we were both level 25, we had enough damage/toughness to take on the tower and the first one to make a mistake and die would have lost the match. Technically speaking I was the first one to make a mistake by forgetting to rearm and died (It was already 70 min on the game and clicking all those items and skills is tiring and I lost focus) while defending my tower the bad news for him was I saved enough money to resurrect instantly with full mana and health. I was saving it to try and pull off a super sacrifice push in his tower. Charge to his tower like no tomorrow, die, and resurrect, teleport back to his tower. Why I didn’t buy aegis, I would have but aegis can’t be dropped plus I already had way too much armor and spell resistance was pretty much useless and I’m too lazy to buy anymore stuff. I was actually planning for skadi which I know won’t stack with manta but I was going for the bonus stats but it was too expensive and I had no time to spare.

He barely had 30% I think of life left and he was concentrating on the tower to even notice my resurrection^^ luckily I depleted his aegis in time and his dagger and manta was still in cool down. And we were screaming our heads off when he died…actually we were already doing that 60 min in the game. It was just way too long for a 1on1 game.

Final score

Tinker: 2 kills, 4 deaths
Bradwarden: 4 kills, 2 deaths

Unbelievably he had top score even though he lost. Both in kills and the final total score when you exit the game...so unfair^^

I would make a guide but it’s not my build it’s Virot’s of dota-allstars, though I use variation after variation of his build in a 5on5 team game but the difference are not that different since the BOT and manta style still sticks. I just mastered his build but I didn’t make it though…sniff^^ I had 1 year and 3 months to master tinker in the days of ap mode. I interchanged from medusa then Tinker since I wanted to become a master tinker and medusa player in those days.

If it were a team game and his Brad was one of the opponents I most definitely would have lost. Maybe not but I would have a hard time just living.
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Last edited by Nova on Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:49 am; edited 2 times in total

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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:43 am

*a round of applause for Nova*
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:05 am

i love tinker..
what i love even more is that he can rearm
guinsoo, linkins and travel which is my build for tinker

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