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insane_grimjow


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Magic,Evasion,Critical,Bash Stacks![Full Explanation]

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:45 pm

Whenever you hear this, what it means is that a certain effect has an increased percentage, but not directly increased. If you have 20% of something, and an item or skill that gives another 20% of that something, if it stacks diminishingly, it will not equal 40%!

Here is the formula to calculate stacks:
T = C/100 + (100-C)/100 * E/100

T is the Total percent, C is the Current percent, and E is the Extra percent.


Critical:
With two burizas, a hero has a 36% chance to Critical Strike.

A hero with Critical Strike as a skill who gets Buriza will be Critical Striking a lot, but it is important to note that when the infamous "double critical" occurs (when you see two criticals appear at one time, on your screen), they do not stack. The hero's skill will take precedence over the item's effect, which can be a good thing sometimes, or a bad thing others.When a hero has a Crystalys and Buriza, again, when the infamous double critical occurs, it doesnt really happen - the criticals do not stack! In this case, the Crystalys's critical strike will take precedence over the Buriza's critical strike, so you will actually deal less damage than you would have, had you just got a Buriza

Bash:
There are two other passive skills which can stun for a short duration. The first is Sniper's Headshot, which has a 40% chance to stun for 0.1 seconds. The second is MKB, which has a 30% chance to stun for 0.1 seconds. It is important to note that these skills will not stack with each other; for example, if you bash a target with the bash from a cranium basher, and then the short bash from the MKB occurs, the stun from the basher will be cancelled.

Cranium Bash Stacks:

Heroes WITHOUT bashing skill [0%]
1 Cranium Basher : 15% bash
2 Cranium Bashers : 27.75% bash
3 Cranium Bashers : 38.5875% bash
4 Cranium Bashers : 47.79937% bash
5 Cranium Bashers : 55.62946% bash
6 Cranium Bashers : 62.28504% bash

Faceless Void,Slithereen Guard [25%]
1 Cranium Basher : 36.25% bash
2 Cranium Bashers : 45.8125% bash
3 Cranium Bashers : 53.94062% bash
4 Cranium Bashers : 60.84953% bash
5 Cranium Bashers : 66.7221% bash
6 Cranium Bashers : 71.71378% bash

Troll Warlord [10%]
1 Cranium Basher : 23.5% bash
2 Cranium Bashers : 34.975% bash
3 Cranium Bashers : 44.72875% bash
4 Cranium Bashers : 53.01944% bash
5 Cranium Bashers : 60.06652% bash
6 Cranium Bashers : 66.05654% bash

About Spiritbreaker:
Spirit's bash is different than normal bash,so if you buy Cranium Basher you will have 17% to do Greater Bash and NEW 15% to do normal bash!

Magic Resistances
Every hero starts out with a natural 25% magic resistance to spells. A spell that says it does 300 damage will only do 225 damage to heroes (75% of 300). On top of that, there are items which give magic resistance, and even some heroes that have skills which increase magic resistance. Getting extra magic resistance stacks diminishingly, though.

Total magic resistance with a Planeswalker's Cloak is 36.25%.



Evasion
There are two ways to get evasion: Through a hero that has a skill that gives evasion (Phantom Assassin's Blur, Panda's Drunken Brawler or Bounty Hunter's Jinada). The other way is to get either the item Butterfly, or the item Radiance ("blinding" effect counts as evasion; ta to Lionel for that).
Evasion never stacks. Period. Getting multiple butterflys, or a butterfly on a hero that already has evasion does not do anything (although on a hero that already has evasion, the hero's skill will take precedence).Note: Evasion is different from a skill that will cause a target or targets to miss. Evasion stacks with spells that make a target/targets miss! Evasion of a hero and accuracy loss of an opponent do stack together, diminishingly... For example, a Troll Warlord with a butterfly would have 30% evasion on top of making an enemy miss 42% of the time. His theoretical evasion would be:

TE = 42 + (100-42)/100 * 25
= 56.5%

Note that Backtrack (Voidwalker) is different from evasion. A butterfly on Voidwalker will stack with his backtrack. The way it works is, first, the Voidwalker will have a chance to evade the attack (25%). After this, if the evasion doesn't proc, he will then have a chance to backtrack the hit (25%). So, total evasion would be:

TE = 25 + (100-25)/100 * 25
= 43.75%

I hope I helped Cool
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folechno


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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:49 pm

Nice info, now if only you had read the Library (http://www.dotastrategy.com/forum/forum30.html) we already have most, if not all of that stuff.

I wonder if the mods will sticky this...

also I'm pretty sure that evasion will stack fully with miss% so Panda can get up to 99% miss with Drunken Brawler and Drunken Haze
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getatmedog


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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:00 pm

Butterfly has 30% evasion... might wanna get that corrected.. haha
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:44 pm

grad e A effort though. The library does have a wealth of information also you should check it out.
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ted


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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:03 pm

nice one dude

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tChui


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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:14 pm

After reading the formula, a part of me died.... X_X

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moogle-taxi


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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:25 pm

i think this deserved to be stickied.

very very easy to udnerstand for s perosn like me =]

i knew crits never stacked but didnt udnerstand how =]

thankyou =]


so basicly, the ultimate perma basher is barathrum, becasue he has the highest bash chances, with the added bash not stacking with the cranium bashers ns tuff Smile
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:09 pm

so I stand corrected, you have the correct way to compute hit %, miss and evasion don't stack additively like I thought

Aegis is no longer a recipe and doesn't give magic resistance
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insane_grimjow


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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:21 am

folechno wrote:
so I stand corrected, you have the correct way to compute hit %, miss and evasion don't stack additively like I thought

Aegis is no longer a recipe and doesn't give magic resistance


I will fix it
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:26 am

moogle-taxi wrote:
i think this deserved to be stickied.

very very easy to udnerstand for s perosn like me =]

i knew crits never stacked but didnt udnerstand how =]

thankyou =]


so basicly, the ultimate perma basher is barathrum, becasue he has the highest bash chances, with the added bash not stacking with the cranium bashers ns tuff Smile


With enough ASPD and 1 or 2 bashers SB is beyond godlike.If you get him this build,its bashing MADNESS:

Power Treads
Sange Yasha
Basher
Basher
Assault Cuirass
HoT/Armlet

You can also change 1 basher to Vladimir's Offering
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:28 am

nice info through
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:33 am

Yo man at least you could have writen the credits because this ishhh is posted here http://www.eurobattle.net/forumdisplay.php?f=418 so you just copy paste i guess....
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insane_grimjow


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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:36 am

i actually got this info from other site if mods want i can say witch is it,but is there any matter from where i got it,since its helpful?
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:37 am

just write where did u get it from... its the right thing to do
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:41 am

Very nice, but ...

a lil redundant :/

GJ anuway
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