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KingV

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:53 pm

well i use slash in these scenarios:
lvl 1 omni: enemy hero under 500 hp
lvl 2 omni: enemy hero around 800 hp (int's 900)
lvl 3 omni: enemy around 1200 hp

bara is a tank and has high hp so you wont be able to finish him just with omni -----> waste of ulti
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jimboh

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:58 pm

Playing bara as a tank is not so wise... For example, MoM on bara is a must for me. Bara is NOT a tank, at least not a classic one. Maybe a semi tank or just an initiator IMO. Barathrum's true potential is in his damage.

P.S.: Omnislash can deal over 2k damage on a single target...
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ted

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:00 pm

@ahmad
yeah... this arguing thingy is kinda endless... its just an opinion anyway... =)

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KingV

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:10 pm

jimboh wrote:
Playing bara as a tank is not so wise... For example, MoM on bara is a must for me. Bara is NOT a tank, at least not a classic one. Maybe a semi tank or just an initiator IMO. Barathrum's true potential is in his damage.

P.S.: Omnislash can deal over 2k damage on a single target...

yeah, let me see how you do that only with treads.
and must be relly relly lucky to get that dmg (2000 he says like it happens every time)
if you deal 2000dmg that means if you remove the armor reduction (lets 50%average on all heroes) full dmg of omni would be 3000 ZOMG. I bet you play a lot of -em games Bleh!

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fed3rer

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:14 pm

obsidian..
my favorite hero againsts strength heroes..

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dmpay

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:27 pm

it would be traxes or viper for axe... really nothing to do.
for pudge y have discover that clockwerck really own him, omni, and almost any strenght hero.
for bara must be a perma basher with evacion, syllabear or nessaj kick his ass too.
but theres one that own them all, naix, the only problem must be bara bash but only in really late when he have a higher attack speed
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AsS-Ki.cK

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:35 pm

Clock is quite good for any of those heroes, but i would pick Slardar for this.
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[piG]Jenan

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:52 pm

yuspfs88 wrote:
troll own sb?...
if he can farm fast then sb i think can..
but how if sb is always ganking troll...
thaths tough man...
and sb skill full of stun...
3/4 of his skill is stun and thath insane for a melee...
and his emporing give ++dmg..
if sb got assult,sy and butter..
ithink troll also lose to himm..=)

oh really?
ever heard of lothars?
and one more thing.
troll with treads and lothars + lifesteal. can own bara badly!
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940108

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:10 pm

yea ursa can do it....and listen....sb really can take down axe...as i seen it before....while axe beserk-calling sb can hit axe can axe moves backward...then the beserk call is cancelled.....
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Edwaard

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:10 pm

[piG]Jenan wrote:
oh really?
ever heard of lothars?
and one more thing.
troll with treads and lothars + lifesteal. can own bara badly!

It's rather easy to ward a single lane though.
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[piG]Jenan

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:16 pm

Edwaard wrote:

[piG]Jenan wrote:
oh really?
ever heard of lothars?
and one more thing.
troll with treads and lothars + lifesteal. can own bara badly!

It's rather easy to ward a single lane though.

like you said.
its easy to ward a single lane.
wards to cancel wards.
gets?
^^,
think before posting dudde.
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Edwaard

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:16 pm

[piG]Jenan wrote:

Edwaard wrote:

[piG]Jenan wrote:
oh really?
ever heard of lothars?
and one more thing.
troll with treads and lothars + lifesteal. can own bara badly!

It's rather easy to ward a single lane though.

like you said.
its easy to ward a single lane.
wards to cancel wards.
gets?
^^,
think before posting dudde.

Well the other guy still has the advantage as you're the one who spent 4k on ww. He can keep countering your counterwards and your lothar's will be less effective. See my point?
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[piG]Jenan

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:29 pm

Edwaard wrote:
Well the other guy still has the advantage as you're the one who spent 4k on ww. He can keep countering your counterwards and your lothar's will be less effective. See my point?

WW?
and to think you dont know what lothars give huh?
^^,
i wont comment.
ahahaha...
keep up your way...
lolz!
wahaha...
i dont fight with pronobz.
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Edwaard

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:51 pm

[piG]Jenan wrote:

Edwaard wrote:
Well the other guy still has the advantage as you're the one who spent 4k on ww. He can keep countering your counterwards and your lothar's will be less effective. See my point?

WW?
and to think you dont know what lothars give huh?
^^,
i wont comment.
ahahaha...
keep up your way...
lolz!
wahaha...
i dont fight with pronobz.

How mature of you Wink

Can't you discuss on a higher level than this? For God's Sake, grow up.

I know lothar adds more than just ww, but ww is the main reason to buy it, right? I'm also not really arguing against you, as I don't really know who'd win a 1v1 between SB and Troll. All I'm saying is Lothar isn't the best itemchoice in a 1v1 as ww's rather easy to counter. At least that's not what I would buy for troll.
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Edwaard

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:53 pm

Gah, missed Edit :S
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