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sfsy1

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Does 9 Bonus Damage make a significant difference??

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:22 pm

All of you should've known that one of the most popular item on Barathrum is Sange and Yasha. Yes, it gives stats, ms, maim etc...

Yet, very very few people feel that FV should buy SnY.

I just want to know, is the fact that SB's empowering haste gives about 8~9 bonus damage make SnY a much better item on SB than FV?

pls give ur comments Dreaming

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DarkLord_sr

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:25 pm

IMO yes
smoke deffinetely kills others but not this fatso Laughing

really, it`s much more worth it than for FV
alltough what FV only needs is ASPD and lifesteal
and SB can get a sure greater bash from his ulti, you can really score some maims with him
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Afro-Ninja

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:26 pm

i think SnY is a better item on SB because Sb hunts his enemys so he needs more speed and maim is also nice for him... Faceless void would get more strengh which would be nice, but he has stun and timewalk already so maim is not so useful in my opinion... he should get another orb

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sfsy1

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:32 pm

Afro-Ninja wrote:
i think SnY is a better item on SB because Sb hunts his enemys so he needs more speed and maim is also nice for him... Faceless void would get more strengh which would be nice, but he has stun and timewalk already so maim is not so useful in my opinion... he should get another orb

well, sb has more stuns and chasing skills actually, and i believe maim and more speed is nice for fv too
edit:
i really hope some1 can convince me soon... Disappointed

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Afro-Ninja

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:36 pm

sfsy1 wrote:

Afro-Ninja wrote:
i think SnY is a better item on SB because Sb hunts his enemys so he needs more speed and maim is also nice for him... Faceless void would get more strengh which would be nice, but he has stun and timewalk already so maim is not so useful in my opinion... he should get another orb

well, sb has more stuns and chasing skills actually, and i believe maim and more speed is nice for fv too Disappointed

yes of course it isnice for FV but its better on SB Bleh!

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sfsy1

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:39 pm

well, can u explain?
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getatmedog

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:47 pm

I would get MOM for both of them. The MS and AS boost is (in the words of nwa: I am Bah). He gets damage for the higher MS and he has a much easier time bashing with the huge AS boost. Additionally the life steal will let you neutral from early-midgame and focus on ganking; like every good Bara should.
Topic: S&Y is also a good item for Bara as you are one of the true chasers.
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SlwaBluPhnx

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:02 pm

Actually, I tested both items. You get tremedous MS from building S&Y but everything else is just not enough. Increasing your damage seems to be more efective than increasing your ms for damage. I used to be a SnY+BoT spporter, but lately I've been shouting 4 Bracer/Satanic/Hyper/PT for this guy.

SnY on FV IMHO is useless, he benefits much more from lifesteal and has bash for chasing.
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Afro-Ninja

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:04 pm

sfsy1 wrote:
well, can u explain?

well, i mean with FV you can timewalk to your victim and attack him and bash him and kill him... you should get a lot of attackspeed and damage and i dont think SnY gives much of that... i think SB needs it more for hunting and slowing his opponents.. he has not such a high attack speed to stun as often as void does... but that was just my opinion Wink

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Shimrra_3

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:40 am

You're absolutely right, its such a stupid reason...

OOH MORE DAMAGE MORE DAMAGE WOOOO nine. Joy. Totally worth spending 5400.
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sfsy1

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:56 pm

Afro-Ninja wrote:

well, i mean with FV you can timewalk to your victim and attack him and bash him and kill him... you should get a lot of attackspeed and damage and i dont think SnY gives much of that... i think SB needs it more for hunting and slowing his opponents.. he has not such a high attack speed to stun as often as void does... but that was just my opinion Wink

hmm, okay, you arent really wrong, but i doesnt SB has his charge too? plus a ulti with quite a short CD.

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:02 pm

hahaha!
lol at shimra!
haha!

@topic.
still could be benefit.
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TheDesolatorGun

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:11 pm

Heh i've had someone nagging me for weeks that BoT is a must for SB, without hearing anything i said (like, i'll skip on the 20 ms which means about what 4 damage?!? for 45% attack speed from PT agi anyday).
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burnside

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:31 am

they're talking about just the bonus from SnY alone.

At topic:
Don't underestimate 9 FREE damage. It's handy. I'm more of a fan of Armlet treads, BkB though.

The thing with void is that MoM is much more viable on him because he can disable the WHOLE other team. This means that while he's attacking with MoM he won't be able to be focused on and will take the full benefit of the lifesteal. As oppose to SB who desperately needs the BkB because he'll be focused as soon as he gets into the fray and get completely stun locked.
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mirana0406

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:35 am

sange and yasha on faceless void??

thats so stupid IMO..
why you need slow if your opposing can't move??

think....
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