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getatmedog


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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:57 pm

I still say that MoM is the one of the best items for both FV and Bara.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:10 pm

BoT is a good item in pub games since it gives you enough time to teleport to area and farm faster.^^,
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nwa4life


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:45 am

getatmedog wrote:
I still say that MoM is the one of the best items for both FV and Bara.
I thinkur sayin that coz uve seen my sb with mom my to with mom also. Also 9 damage makes a diff. Seriously. I still carry around my gg branches at about lvl 14 coz 1 stat can mean life and death. If u all played as much as me and have gotten into battles lik me. 1 stat makes u live. Also i will not stress how many times i have always wanted to kill some1 when they escaped away with 5 health or somthin. If i had hit them 5 times during that time he would be dead. 57 gold for a kill? Omg yes yes! Also if i had to pick sny is better for sb than for void. Void needs other items so 100% sb. More hits with 9 damage 9x9=81 so that means 81 damage ftw. XD.
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Rasputin


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:17 am

correct me if im wrong, but I belive SB gets alot more bonus damage then a measily 9 damage. With s and y and travels his MS is about 440 which 16 percent of that is converted to damage giving him an extra 70 damage. thats how i thought it always worked.

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party_starter_501


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:12 am

bara and FV have a totally different perspective on bash....

FV needs massive ASPD and dmg jus for those few seconds of his ulti with a big cd....SnY doesnt give that...plus FV is not a chaser

bara is a chaser and killer...he need reasonably big MS for chase and moderate ASPD for bash kill...SnY seems to be the perfect package for this...

also bara bash has 17% chance where FV has 25% so maim gives bara better chance to bash n besides FV ody has a slow...

also no 1 expects FV to do anything before lev 16...so the str bonus from SnY is not useful since later that 16 or so str isnt much of a use...on the other hand bara is expected to pull off some chase and ulti kills from the start so the str bonus is big for him to survive

i think the most important point is that FV is more late hero then BARA....every 1 knows SnY is not of much use late game especially for FV(no nid to explain)...whereas bara is mid-late gamer n he can farm SnY as soon as lev 11-13 n start owning badly

moral of the story?? SnY doesnt fit the role of FV...instead it suits BARAs role Smile

i hope that satisfys u sfsy1
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war1ock


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:15 am

party_starter_501 wrote:
bara and FV have a totally different perspective on bash....

FV needs massive ASPD and dmg jus for those few seconds of his ulti with a big cd....SnY doesnt give that...plus FV is not a chaser

bara is a chaser and killer...he need reasonably big MS for chase and moderate ASPD for bash kill...SnY seems to be the perfect package for this...

also bara bash has 17% chance where FV has 25% so maim gives bara better chance to bash n besides FV ody has a slow...

also no 1 expects FV to do anything before lev 16...so the str bonus from SnY is not useful since later that 16 or so str isnt much of a use...on the other hand bara is expected to pull off some chase and ulti kills from the start so the str bonus is big for him to survive

i think the most important point is that FV is more late hero then BARA....every 1 knows SnY is not of much use late game especially for FV(no nid to explain)...whereas bara is mid-late gamer n he can farm SnY as soon as lev 11-13 n start owning badly

moral of the story?? SnY doesnt fit the role of FV...instead it suits BARAs role Smile

i hope that satisfys u sfsy1

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GaNkStA


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:22 am

what he said,
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sfsy1


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:46 am

party_starter_501 wrote:


i hope that satisfys u sfsy1


hmm, not really satisfied. there are some flaws Depressed

firsly, SB doesnt have to be a chaser when he has MoM. Just like FV, he have 2 disable, so burst attack speed can help to kill enemy within the time.

also, u mentioned Strength is of not much use?? FV needs the HP boost.
okay, even if Strength is "useless" the agility for FV gives damage, and the agility for SB just gives as much as a glove of haste and ring of protection, for a much higher price.

and i dont think SnY is a early game item really. because pure damage is much better (eg, Radiance, MKB, BF etc..)

okay, so my point is if FV is good with MoM, why not SB too? esp when SnY is expensive for wat it gives.

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AsS-Ki.cK


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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:15 pm

Rasputin wrote:
correct me if im wrong, but I belive SB gets alot more bonus damage then a measily 9 damage. With s and y and travels his MS is about 440 which 16 percent of that is converted to damage giving him an extra 70 damage. thats how i thought it always worked.


NOTICE THAT GOD DAMN IT!
Its (295*1.08*1.16+65)/100 *16 = 69.53 dmg, not 9 -.-
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DiZ-aSS


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:10 am

how the f**k did you get them numbers
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DiZ-aSS


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:12 am

oh no dont worry, figuered it out lol.

and i am terribly sorry for double posting
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IZE


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:24 am

sny on void???
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sin_slayer91


Dominating Posts: 134 Joined: 27 Jul 2007 3706 gold

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:30 am

AsS-Ki.cK wrote:
Rasputin wrote:
correct me if im wrong, but I belive SB gets alot more bonus damage then a measily 9 damage. With s and y and travels his MS is about 440 which 16 percent of that is converted to damage giving him an extra 70 damage. thats how i thought it always worked.


NOTICE THAT GOD DAMN IT!
Its (295*1.08*1.16+65)/100 *16 = 69.53 dmg, not 9 -.-


what he meant was, the bonus damage u get from the bonus ms the SnY gives alone.In this case 16% from the 16% bonus ms u get from tyhe SnY.Correct me if Im wrong sfsy1
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last_dota_freak!


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:08 am

FV already has stun, also Timewalk, and (sometimes) ulti for chasing. No need for S&Y.

SB, actually, can chase, too. With CoD and Netherstrike, it's easy to chase. 9 bonus damage doesn't hurt too much. REMINDER: I'm not good at using SB. ^lol^
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nwa4life


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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:13 am

Fv has 3 disables. A slow a stun and a disable (I lik to call it a hold lik feind grip) no wat I mean? The blink slows. So he has about the same disables as sb. 3 stuns but still. No wat I mean? LOL. XD.
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