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fragnat911

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counter for axe. spiritbreaker and pudge?

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:22 am

what are the counters for them?

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[piG]Jenan

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:29 am

gank.
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Mortal Tree

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:30 am

as a team or individually?
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fragnat911

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:31 am

individually, who actually can kill them easily/easier then others
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[piG]Jenan

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:32 am

techies.
all are meele.
^^,
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Mortal Tree

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:41 am

Hmmm... these heroes are tough. So the word EASY or EASILY wont be much of a factor. Void can be his gay self and bash them to nothing. Not early tho.
TB is pretty good as well. Good damage output and ofc sunder which helps tons. Naix is superb anti tank so get him esp vs Pudge. PL for SB (also not early). He has to know who you are to cast spells on u... NOT for Axe tho!
See none of the things i just mentioned are easy. you will have to farm/neut well. you will have to NOT die early. and the main thing is to cut off their farming so gank, try send them back to tower, and maybe get a kill which will be great for level and gold gap. Hope this helps... Confused

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KingV

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:54 am

how about panda:
1.slow is always good
2.evasion and crit finish them faster, also evasion good vs bara
3.more evasion and -ms reduction
4.ulti is for escaping from axes ulti and hopefully prevents pudge's

i think this is a counter to all 3
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vins

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:04 pm

Ursa deafets them dunno about bara but axe and pudge 100%
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yanyan

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:12 pm

Ursa and Troll IMO.

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ahmady9

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:13 pm

@ vins
No premabashers can take ursa down...
I guess Tiny can do the trick... u can also try rexxar with vlads, S&Y, and basher
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sfsy1

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:17 pm

ahmady9 wrote:
@ vins
No premabashers can take ursa down...
I guess Tiny can do the trick... u can also try rexxar with vlads, S&Y, and basher

Permabasher can take ursa down very very easily, if ursa doesnt have blademails. No doubt bout this.

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ted

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:21 pm

yeah.. troll can own them badly...
he can harass early due to his range..
and late game.. who could defeat permabasher? just go for aspd and lifesteal.. and oh, dont forget BKB..
permabash owns all...
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ahmady9

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:27 pm

@ sfsy1
yup tht is what i meant, just forgot the comma after "no"
@ ted
For troll to own them, he must have enough hp to live through Pudge and Bara's combo.
Im still sticking with tiny for the below reasons:
1- he has his third skill to counter prembashers
2- Combo deals too much damage
3- his single hit damage is too strong so counter helix wont be much of a problem
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ted

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:30 pm

@ahmad
yeah.. i know, thats why i put BKB on my item build...
but, i think with butter satanic treads (and BKB of course), he wont have any problem dealing with their combo..
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yuspfs88

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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:31 pm

troll own sb?...
if he can farm fast then sb i think can..
but how if sb is always ganking troll...
thaths tough man...
and sb skill full of stun...
3/4 of his skill is stun and thath insane for a melee...
and his emporing give ++dmg..
if sb got assult,sy and butter..
ithink troll also lose to himm..=)
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