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Strategies:The Phantom! posted by Heaven(HH) on 2006-09-14The Master of Illusion(s) posted by Wishmaster on 2007-01-26 |
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Limit your discussions to Azwraith - The Phantom Lancer.
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Ok, Azraith is like, the god of illusion! he totally unkillabe :p. Check out my strategy for him.
man...he is my bestest hero....there are two ways to play him..
1v1 : make him a radiance...so that his duplicates and him do mega damage with 10 immolations AURAS!!!!
or go for a manta style so that you can duplicate him infinitely...:D
that is for 1v1....instead make him yasha then sange and then S&Y so that he can once again rule..:D
hes a very good hero slayer and farmer, but unless u get this guy to lvl ASAP, ur basically screwed. attach rapier and buriza and manta style and butterfly and radiance is the ultimate build for this hero. hes unkillible unless u hav true sight or wards. his ulti seems kinda gay but its really really good!
IS battle fury GOOD??
I think this seems very fine
One of the best late game heroes ever. Totally undefeated in one on one combat. Very vulnerable early game. Treads then Manta ASAP. Try to get damage boosting skills without additional speed ie MKB. Don't go for criticals unless you have a buddy around as crits will give you away to experienced players. That is if they can get around the skewer-fest around them :D. In the hands of a very good last hitter the game will be decided.
question why would a hyperstone not be in the item build cause along with other items like b-fly manta style its a auto matic juxapose there for u always have clones buy ur side but i could be wrong so im lookin for answers
question why would a hyperstone not be in the item build cause along with other items like b-fly manta style its a auto matic juxapose there for u always have clones buy ur side but i could be wrong so im lookin for answers
I found it hard to kill with this guy without manta style. He has slow base movement speed.
his clones can also create clones, hahaha
I made a guide for this guy, he owns!!! best hero yet!!!
I made a guide for this guy, he owns!!! best hero yet!!!
@p0cketz
You usually don't hyperstone because the attack speed % does not apply to your clones. Only attack speed and damage from your agility will go to the clones. On top of that when PL is jumping up and down like a madman while every other one isn't it becomes really easy to tell which one is the real one :D. Pros can even tell which one is the real one even if they all have the same attack speed (the real PT hp doesn't move very much.) You could counter this by shuffling the clones: move PT clones around and in and out. Do this fast enough and people won't be able to tell anymore.
Acually hyperstone aint that bad, after all the faster you attack, the more faster clones come. The faster the clones come, the more ownage you get XD
just have this hero ultimate damage items and pure agi. thats it.. this hero is really easy to use
butterfly, hyperstone, PT, basher, manta and aegis (the real u shall never die MUHAHAHA). high attack speed = greater chance to clone more,
Manta and dopplewalk are enough.
3x7% for your 3 clones to duplicate.
18% for you to duplicate.
Total of 39% of duplication.
LVL 16 equates to rough a hit every 0.8 (with butterfly, no stats) seconds. So you theoretically have a 97.5% of duplication every 2 seconds. So in 5 seconds you should have doubled your amount of copies (now 6 copies). That should be enough to make a collision cage (enemy can't escape due to your char being there). Of course this can occur slower as well as faster. I've had max clones pop up in 4 seconds after a dopple-manta combo.
Of course in a public game a pure dps build would be just fine. However, it isn't hard for an experienced nuker to draw a bead on you with the laguna refresh combo when you're attacking really fast. And with the PT animation it is really oblivious who has 200% aspd and who doesn't. Experienced tankers with blade mail can monitor the hp bars around him really well if you don't have HoT. But hey, whatever works right :D?
i play dis guy conservatively, i only dw to escape and dont use manta style. i spam copies mostly by atacking creeps. as long as i hav maxed skils in juxtapose and ph.edge, i can make 2 copies, and then quickly make the max # of copies from there. then i make sure i hav targets to always spam replacement copies. i go for hot and max dmg items, i.e. bnk+s&y+radiance. d idea is for all copies to deal max punishment. the enemy hero who tries to ignore my copies just get hp whittled down to the point he wants to escape, so then i do spiritlance and me and all copies close in for the kill. main challenge for this hero is to farm and level up as fast or faster than enemy heroes. pl absolutely cannot lag behind in levels and gold!!
lol you guys should try battle fury, all the images can deal splash damage aswell
hey which is better the phantom lancer's sommon or death prophet summon in terms of damage?
battlefury is a staple item for all my melee builds. its THE farming implement of choice. wats more, each component of it contributes to the whole, it does not require a scroll, therefore u can consider the cleave effect as being a bonus as against an effect that u hav to pay for (i.e., windwalk effect for lothars edge)
since pl's clones do small damage, crystalis-buriza+battlefury is an ideal combination. battlefury in itself is good for the real pl, but for his slimshadies, parang hilaw dba?
This hero is so fun
I played with him the first time today and used the strategy by Heaven(HH) and wow by the end of the game my score was 5-0 (and we won
) Pure fun, especially when his images can produce images of their own. I was laughing when I was creeping and suddenly there were 8 images
in 6.39 and above versions does eye of skadi slows enemies when you use phantom lancer
unbeatable at late game...
This hero can determine win or lose.
My favorite. Possibly the strongest character in game. Not even faceless void can kill this guy.
tradition items:
Boots of travel
butterfly
manta
buriza
2 empty slots can be for HP boosting items.
BASIC USE
ok so they have animation canceling in dota, and you can abuse that with PL. Start mass cloning on creeps and get about 8 in 3 seconds. Then push like mad
HOLY MOLLY 6.42 is out
Attack Cuicurass MAKES IMAGES ATTACK FASTER AND HAVE MORE ARMOR!!!
Manta+AttackCuicurass+BoT=GG!!!!!
Amazing! possibly the ult build for him (if you could afford it) would be eye of skadi(i love that thing! great for anyone!), butterfly x2, boots of travel (butterfly can sub for treads), lothars edge, and a heart, for health. That would be (at lvl 25 with all stat bonuses included) 2996 health, 112 to 134 dmge +126 (w/ stat bonus, butterflies and lothars edge), and 1482 mana (not that you'd need that much mana for him...you'd need 200 for DW and SL together). It's too bad about the butterfly because i don't think the evasion stacks but still, you'd be damn good. HOLY SHIT!!! lol
you could also actually sub lothars out for S&Y, but then you'd have 2 orb effects...
use buriza hehehe.. the illusions will have a critical strike or try also cranium basher....but don't forget to power up his attack speed to make illusions faster.....
WOOT RONSO OWNAGE!!!!!!(if ur wondering what ronso is itz the pic of Azwraith which is from final fantasy 10 kimahri ronso)im a noob at dota... but my fastest win with Azwraith was 30min...
cant kill this hero endgame, tried about 20 times... do you know anyone who can kill him endgame???
Woah dude nice one just rplace manta w/ SnY but that will work as well
Woah dude nice one just rplace manta w/ SnY but that will work as well
Azwraith iS ALMOST GODLIKE
JUST TAKE TO HIM THIS ITEMS:
1.Power Treads
2.Manta Style
3.The Butterfly
4.Buriza-Do Kanyon
5.Linken's Sphere
6.Heart Of Tarrasque
THE TIME YOU COMPLETE TILL BUTTERFLY YOU CAN JUST OWN THE GAME
u could literally make an army of him..
just made a guide
:) its the unstoppable one the pros use
Anyone know any counter hero for this? I can only think of Rikimaru (usually real Azwraith is hiding behind his clones or sneaking from behind), Treant (true sight yeah!), Boneklinkz (windwalk past em to find real Azwraith), Slithice (she can also clone and deals critical), Chaos Knight (also has clones)...
PT,
Manta Style
Buttlerfly
Buriza
Vlad
Basher/HOT/Linkens
GG
so easy to get 10-0 with this hero
Buriza + Battle Fury + S&Y and ur finished
lol.. radiance, HoT.. Cuirass. tapos!
how to kill thi hero in late game please!!!!!!!!!
????????
Buy Mjollnir. With static charge you can kill him in late game.
You also need gem to see him when he is in wind walk...
I think Mjollnir is only way to kill him in late game because of his illusion mastery
I think they made Mjollnir to stop Lancer
diffusional blade can also help, but the charges are limited (deals extra damage to illusions)
F-void can kill him with basher, mkb, satanic, and butterfly. Just send a hero to place wards, he will finish him.
echo slam hits invisible units, so even if he dopplewalks, es still pwns him >
LOL so u gonna kill one illusion with purge and u will achieve nothing with that because another will generate in 1 sec(that is really waste of purge).
For echo slam: with hood of defiance lancer will certainly survive this and when he attacks u next time u will die(echo slam has big cooldown)
For khronut: What is the use of basher,MKB... when u dont know which one to hit and ward(or gem)see invisible units but u wont know wich one is real and which one is illusion and they will pawn you(and your mana)very fast. I would say in the moment u gain basher + demon edge(for MKB) he will have manta and generate illusions sickly fast. If u cast your ulti u may just find yourself in the middle of 5-8 frozen lancers(
I am not saying that FV cant kill him, ofc he can, i am just saying if u are playing against pros it will be very difficult to kill him in late game without Mjollnir, so i suppose the best way to play against this hero is to kill him as much as u can in early game, and not allow him to easily gain manta and other items that make him one of the best late-game hero.
how to kill hero at lvl 9-15?
I always get killed before I kill
I won (copies, attack tower), but really unsatisfied...
since I don't kill any heroes
i really like this hero, manta style is the way to go for this guy. he's kinda hard to use at low levels but once you get this guy at a decent level (9-12) without being outleveled by your opponents, they better watch out. this hero is so superb in pushing, he might not even need to retreat in doing so even if he get's outnumbered. just lay it low on early levels and try not to get so aggressive, phantom lancer is unlikely to get pawned if you use dopplewalk defensively. lance is spamable but as a rule, use it only when if you'll still have enough mana to for dopplewalk. manta+heart+butterfly(or just eagle horn, or two yashas)+bot would suffice to end the game. you may not need to upgrade your perseverance to linken sphere. ring of basilius+ vanguard would also be a nice alternative to perseverance.. buriza and radiance are luxury items. he's one of the best late
game heroes. and try not get any life steal aura or worse orb effect. the enemy could spot the real phantom with these. make good use of the illusions, my fave trick is confusin the enemy and makin them waste their ultimate skill (i.e laguna blade of lina) to pawn an illusion...
@ uki1, im just sayin it works, i didnt suggest that it was a great counter azwraith item, unless ur lucky enough to hit the real azwraith so he moves slowly
@ natsirt_alucard, its advised that u do get mekanism though, vladmirs is just to improve the survivability of ur clones, only for a little bit though
hey lupeman! zup? about vladimirs, i dont really think it would be a nice idea for azwraith. correct me
if i'm wrong but illusions dont gain life steal bonus from the aura although they exhibit the shining shimmery effect (fake life steal aura). not only that it's non benificial for the illusions, it would also help your enemies spot the real phantom lancer if he has vladimir's for he will surely have big discrepancy in hp's compared with his illusions. as for mekanism, illusions dont really need to be healed as phantom lancer could always replace them with new ones. maybe an empty potion bottle will do.
ok, i'll justify in layman's why people should get the followin for azraith.
manta style - seriously, i dont think anyone should argue with this. phantom edge will make the illusions trigger juxtapose and i dont see any reason why
you shouldnt like havin 2 more comin from manta style for that. also, mana feed back is most feared, watch king leoric beg for his life as you deplete his mana to zero. having it is like phantom lancer bringing his "A" game at all times. boosts in primary attribute, a bit of int(due to robe of magi), higher hp (due to vit orb), more illusions that whack mana (yes they do...) what more could you ask for?
eagle horn (upgrade to butterfly; optional) or 2 yashas - cant say much
but this is better than gettin crystalis that would later on be upgraded to buriza. ive tried this a lot of times, lancer's illusions play a
great role in winning the game and equippin agi type items are the best way to toughen them up.
heart of tarasque - see an opponent willing to face 8 lancers with hp's 2k+? i dont think so.. make them cream
their pants.
boots of travel - yep, a bit expensive for a pair of nike's but way better than power treads.. you see, the problem with treads is that your illusions dont benefit with the additonal attack speed and when your opponent sees a lancer who whacks like crazy and outstands every one of his copies in attack speed, it's really a no brainer that he's the real one. so better blend in with your illusions and
make them run fast..
perseverance (option 1) - do i have to explain this? hp and mana regen dude.. once you
have your manta and eagle horn or 2 yashas you could prioritize gettin an ultimate orb and upgrade this to linken
sphere over gettin tarasque or vice versa..
RoB + vanguard (option 2)- this a good alternative for perseverance although vanguard would be kinda out phased by heart of tarasque and RoB would be stuck the way it is until late game.. lancer looks nicer with linken sphere if you have the time to farm that is..
and everything else would fall under expendable and luxury items.. i did try
other builds but this one proved to be the best. so there you have it.. own the game when playin PL!!!
PS
feel free to comment
manta is excessive
low hp low mana hero with a bunch of images
its gotta b harbringer
takes 1 or 2 hits to kill an image or just use satanity to kill all images and deal a good amount of dmg to the real one
explain 2 yashas, because last i knew, it only gave a hero aura with 1 item.
This hero is acctually quite good!
For Azwraith:
Powers Treads
Sange And Yasha
The Buttlefly
Buriza
Manta Style
Radiance
anyone realize that Kimahri from FFX is his icon pic?
can he pawn heroes easily or just playing hard to kill?
->even though havin 2 yashas wont give twice the ms you want, 32 agility to buff your stats, the illusions and 52ias are nothin to complain about... the faster the whackin the faster kill.. plus it's cheap!!
-> not only harbinger but any hero could pawn phantom lancer when not played well.
harbinger's arcane orb is indeed a pain in the ass and sanity's eclipse has always a been a threat to non int heroes but what makes you so sure that you'd be able to farm for aghanims first before phantom lancer does? not that im suggestin pl would get aghanims, but he could just for fun... my point is pl is one of the good farmers in the game (not to mention better than harbinger).. so dont say that your not in for a tough race when
it comes to acquirin items. plus i did reccomend usin linken sphere for a bit of added protection (and a +10 to all stats). beware of juxtapose and phantom edge, dont go braggin that his illusions will disappear after
a few hits coz i couldnt care less if pl loses a bunch of illusions in one massive hit. he isnt naga siren or chaos knight you know... in mid/late game, pl could replace a pawned illusion with 2 or more just as easily.. lastly, manta is the best item for pl.. a perfect match, not excessive..
p.s
deception is the key. learn how manipulate
the illusions well..
eazlor wiped out all my illusions in one illuminate
what the!!!!
u should treads, battle fury , butter fly , S n Y , manta style, and saitanic or vladamirs then u will have it easy
PL(host) was owning on a 5v5, he was doing DK's during team battles. I was playing gondar, and PL got a gem. PL was coming in a team battle last because lina, kardel, and razor can clean his images in a snap. So I meyself, told my teammates will be coming in last also and prioritize casting track on PL once he appears.
PL had Radiance, Burize, & SNY, but never a Manta. I was able to ambush him 2x late game, alone; how??? I watched him solo a lane with all of his images(he had no gem), right before he engage the next scourge creep wave, all of his images is gone, so I timed him so that I will be behind him right before he engage coming scourge creep wave. Backstab-Track-hit-hit-hit...Toss... owned him.
Though I highly doubt this is possible if he had a manta.
Host left by the way in disgust.
most confusing hero in the complete game if used properly
COMBOS
1. TRAVEL
2. MASK OF MADNESS
3. BUTTERFLY
4. BATTLE FURY
5. ASSULT
6. BURIZA
GGGGG
NO NEED OF HP FOR THIS HERO OR MANTA
TO GET IMAGES
JUST DO FIRST MASK OF MADNESS THIS HERO WILL HAVING OWNAGE ONLY
@p0cketz.- its not bad to add hyperstone... it's just that only the original will inc. atkspd and not the illusions. butterfly add atkspd and dmg to illusion bcuz +30 to agi
this hero mostly annoys me coz of that skill juxtapose but i admit he's very
good
who do you think is better pl or abbadon?
who do you think is better pl or abbadon?
Easily pwned by aoe spellers
sry dude but i think this stinks
cause you can use him much better
- 2x vanguard
- 2x basher
- sheeper
- satanic
wen your lvl 20 you got almost all items i think first 2 x vanguard then 2 basher then mask of death then go fore sheeper and as last satanic
Item Effects
The following items and effects DO work on images
Stat bonus items. Images gain hit points from strength, armour and attack speed from agility, and bonus to damage from your primary stat. I believe they also gain hitpoint and mana regeneration from stats as well.
Feedback (Diffusal Blade/ Manta Style). Only works on melee images. Ranged images do not burn mana.
Critical Strike (Crysallis / Buriza ). Just the critical strike ability is transferred to images not the bonus damage from the item.
Evasion (Butterfly, Radiance)
Raw movement speed gain items (Boots, Treads, Teleboots)
% Movement Speed gain items (Sangeyasha, Yasha).
True Sight (Gem of True Sight)
Radiance burning aura (Radiance) - Note that while images get the burning aura only one such aura will apply to an enemy at a given time (i.e. 4 images do not mean 4xdamage from the burn aura). Also note that only the aura damage and evasion bonus transfers to images. The bonus damage from the Radiance item itself does not transfer.
Direct Hit Point bonus items (Vitality Booster, Point Booster, Soul Booster, Heart of Tarresque, Manta Style)
Direct Mana Point bonus items (Energy Booster, Point Booster, Soul Booster, etc)
The following items and effects do NOT work on images (despite what the attack animation might suggest!)
Direct bonus to damage items (i.e. items that say +x to damage do not give that bonus damage to images)
Direct bonus to armour items (Chainmail, Platemail, Aegis etc). Note: Java's Premium Naga Siren Guide says the opposite so I am prepared to be corrected on this point!
Direct regeneration items (Ring of Regen, Ring of Health etc)
Increased Attack Speed percent (Hyperstone, Treads, Hand of Midas, Monkey King Bar, Butterfly)
Lifesteal (Satanic, Mask of Madness, Mask of Death, Helm of Dominator)
Frost Attack (Eye of Skadi)
Chain Lightning (Maelstrom)
Cleave - Percentage Splash Damage applied to nearby targets (Battlefury)
Bash - % chance to stun (Cranial Basher). To be precise it is a bit more complicated than just saying it doesn't work - see notes below.
Maim (Sange, Sangeyasha)
% Chance for Microstun that disrupts concentration spells and gives bonus damage (Monkey King Bar)
Corruption effect - minus to armour upon hit (Stygnian Desolator). Bear in mind however the images will benefit from the corruption given by your main hero so it's still a decent option
Return damage % from melee attackers (Blademail)
Damage block (Kraken Shell, Stout Shield, Vanguard)
Spell items - images can't cast spells (Dagon, Ginsoo, Mechanism, Mantastyle, BKB etc)
Magic resistance items (Planewalker Cloak, Aegis) - images only get innate hero resistance.
The following items have not yet been tested. Please advise if you test any of these out (include details of the test you carried out to prove it). Note: most of the below are auras but you should note that the image showing the aura icon or visual effect is NOT the same thing as it actually working on the image. The image will always show the aura icon regardless
Spell block (Linkens)
Lifesteal Aura (from Leoric or Vladmir's Offering)
Devotion Aura (Ring of Basilus or Vladmir's Offering)
Brilliance Aura (Crystal maiden, Ring of Basilus or Vladmir's Offering)
Toughness Aura (Sven)
Healing Aura (Headress of Rejuvenation, Mechanism)
Mechanism Heal Activation Effect
Arcane Ring Mana Charge Activation Effect
Buckler Activation Effect
Attack Speed Buff Aura (Assault Cuirass)
"Illusions can bash, but it works in a really strange way. First of, they won't deal any bonus damage.
Secondly, if an image bashes a target, it will only be a fake bash. Everything will look as it would if a real hero bashed the target, but the target can still move and attack. If a real hero bashes the target while he is in such a "Fake bash state", the fake bash state will be prolonged. Vice versa, if a hero makes a real bash on the target, and an image bashes the target, the real bash will be prolonged"
Taken from the " Image Item and Orb Effects, Which items work on images and which items don't" guide by Gray the Grayt
The link to the Guide- http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=40109
Just seeing some of the ideas on the comment board seems like most of the users havent actually tried out their little theories or won with the build on a public gaming making them believe it was a great and "perfect" build for this hero.
Just a question to anyone, who would like to answer... Abaddon vs. Azwraith.
Premium Strnght Hero vs Premium Agility Hero..
Who wins??
(perhaps its a stupid question, but i`d like to know your opinions...:)
i knew about that site ages ago, but i had a theory about the bash on illusions. u still get the bash animation, but it doesnt bash. although it sez it prolongs a previous real bash, i think it doesnt actually do it, just restarts the bash animation again. afta the real bashes stun duration is done, the stun animation is still there, but they can move around.
Only reason i posted it that it shows the users the affects of the clone from that particular site because Icefrog actually posts on that site.The guide is very often referred to by the admins.
Also it was for you to see since you might see it again "vladmirs is just to improve the survivability of ur clones, only for a little bit though ".If you just skimmed the guide description it shows that lifesteal doesnt work on clones and I've seen it to be true.
it's better to call him naruto because of his bushi-no-jutsu technique
last time i used:
boots of travel
manta style
heart of tarrasque
3 x butterfly
and i think it's the best way to get fast illusions in combat
hp at lvl1? SUCKS LKE JAM AND TOAST (sorry anyone who likes this , i just hate it) in late game with a good build? owns like... i dunno...
his ulti? really hard to understand (was 4 me when i first got him on an -ar game) but if you've got lvl4 juxapose, thats when u get his ulti (yes this does mean DONT GET HIM ULTI TILL ~lvl 10) this is because his ulti is useless until you can get lots of images (except that opponants have a chance to miss him)
this si my opinion anyway.
Well i dunno how u all guys play Phantom but i always level up first spirit lance and dopplewalk then juxtapose.Every time i've started him that way i always owned early game by last hitting and nucking.So i had lots of money mid game.
i get juxtapose and dopplewalk first. juxtapose will give me an early advantage and an early push.
y but this early advantage would be minimum cause ur attack speed is not good and at the most u would have 3 images max.for early push its easy both ways.U nuke them with ur first and either they g t regen or u kill them.I had a lot of first bloods and early kills with this skill build!
I go for a basher Azeroth, and the prolonging bash does work. Juxtapose is basically useless until midgame as you don't have the attack attack speed or high enough chance of forming an illusion to create an army. Also until you get level 2 or 3 phantom edge your images tend not to spawn themselves.
One thing I wanted to mention that no-one seems to have is how amazing PL is at farming the forest. With good micro management you can basically farm the whole forest very quickly by creating illusions and sending them off to farm other creeps, also if you aren't bothered about exp you can spawn a few images leave them to kill off the creeps and move onto another patch spawn images move on. Basically makes you the best farmer in the game imo.
even with my low chance of gettin juxtapose, if it does duplicate, i've pretty much own the lane.
i focus more on pushin then killin.
please give me a hero strat that can totally own him.
Mid Game ownage with 310 damage nuke and invisibility. I can easily get 5-6 kills with lance and walk combo!!
this guy ranged?
Does Mjollnir work for his images? If so, you could change it up from the manta and start spitting out chain lightnings like mad.
mjollnir doesnt work with images
yeah it wont work, will be imbalance
Icefrog should really pump up this guys str gain. Hes too weak on hp. Hes item based which sucks and makes him very shit early game
Anyone realize this guy is that lancer guy from FF10? .... (so this wont get deleted) This guy awsomeness!!!!
wat other effects and skills wud also be applicable to the clones like the mana feedback, etc?
hes really hard at surviving early game but if he have manta and radience(all 10 illus will have the immulation aura)totally imba 350 per sec is insane
immolation doesn't stack.
my build with this guy is get doppel and spirit lance and stat...till i get my manta which is my second box item...then i get my clones...my first item is robe of magi then boots then ror then make it treads then robe of magi again...basically u just spam the lance and use doppel if u gona escape...at this point ur just a support hero...then after i get manta i get vlad...so that i could get lifesteal and mana burn...then go for heart...then cleave...i use cleave to quickly push enemies away and damage...also so that when ur clones is ganging up with the enemy u could still hit him while hitting creeps only then radiance...so basically i go for treads, manta, vlad, heart, battlefury, radiance...
How the hell do you kill him!
How the hell do you kill him!
AZWRAITH IS A GOOD HERO!BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU FIGTH WITH HIM!HE'S AN ILLUSIONIST!RIGHT?
go for a manta style!just multiply fasty and more no one can beat this guy!ryt?
Omfw this guy owns...:):) my fav hero by fae!!
give him the following and rapes anyone: treads
manta
b/fly
radiance u can ad some health stuf if u like ...but this is what i buy him
Hi to everyone! I don't have time to write a strategy, but I'll try to make a kind of short strategy, which will (I hope) help someone in trying to either play with or kill PL.
OK so its early-game now(0-12 lvl). You should buy a chicken and a bracer or something else that will increase your HP(gauntlets of ogre strength for example).You should also buy a headdress or ring of regeneration (bottle is also good alternative).If you are fighting melee heroes it would be good if you'd buy a stout shield (not vanguard).IMO you should max out spirit lance and dopplewalk and try to get the last hit while creeping.I'd say that you should try to concentrate in creeping and try to kill something with your spirit lance if you get a chance.
You should finish early-game with power treads, blades of alacrity and bracer(or diffusal blade if you have farmed well and maybe killed someone).With strength gained from power treads and bracer you should have enough hp.
Mid-game(lvl 12-18)is the most important part of the game for PL.If you have farmed well and survived during the early game, then it's time to start killing!First of all you should complete your diffusal blade.When you attack a hero you should first use dopplewalk and charge enemy hero with your illusion. Of course your opponent will easily kill it, but it has a slight chance in copying itself and a few fits will drain some mana.While your enemy is destroying your image you'll attack hero from behind and hope that you will create another illusion in two or three hits(in most situations you will). You should use spirit lance and purge (use this as much as you can cos it has small cooldown and I usually dont use all 10 charges before I get manta).With diffusal blade most of your opponents wont be able to run away and they wont be able to fight back because they don't know which one to hit and if they try to teleport use spirit lance cos it has ministun.
Killing with manta:If you and your opponent are creeping(not a very often situation though) then you should use dopplewalk.Your illusion should be creeping, while you are approaching to your opponent.When you are near him charge him with your dopplewalk illusion and use manta. Your opponent will be like
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).Your illusion will quickly reproduce and drain his mana so he wont be able to use most of his abilities(for example it's very funny when you fight faceless void and he doesen't have mana for his time walk :)).If he tries to escape use spirit lance but sometimes your illusions will surround your opponent or just quickly kill him if he has low hp.(I also use this strategy when I am ganking and in a massive push with my teammates or destroying towers). You should have manta, power treads and crystalis(buriza) by the end of mid-game.
Late-game is part when you should dominate.There aren't any changes in playing style, only in items.
Something about items for PL: In my experience manta is the best orb effect item for PL and it is essential to get it as sooner as you can! You should also get crystalis or buriza since illusions can do crits too.Other good items you should get if the games doesn't end, is butterfly(since illusions benefit from agility bonus)and hearth.You can replace power treads with BoT since you don't need bonus 10 strength and illusions don't get the AS bonus.I think that dwad has made a good summary about which things work on illusions so if u want to know reason why u shouldn't get basher, vlads ,battlefury... u should look at that comment(its in PL section aswell).
If you want to kill PL in late-game, you should buy gem and mjollnir cos static charge is very effective against illusions and it would be good if you have heroes with strong AoE(Sand king, Earthshaker,Tormented soul, Treant...).So I'd say that the best way to fight against this hero is to try to kill and harass him as much as you can in early-game.
this hero .... i can't get a good play with him.... really... i hate him....
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Axe and Levi beat this guy easily =))
Hanep Aztig Ang Dating Mo Pare
hes good but hard to make
tiny can defeat this hero!!!believe me
The new ult is pretty good. Combine it with a Hood and you'll be almost untouchable by magic when the ult is maxed
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats up thith these strange item builds?
dont you know that you meant to buy two hearts and saintanic?
thats all you need, his images become so strong ememys thing it you and they attack your imiges,,,HELLO!!!!!!!!!!
NOOBS!
nakakabadtrip tong gagong to ang hirap patayin
pt
1 manta
2 basher
2 butterfly
:
pt
butterfly
manta
basher
butterfly
basher
gg.
bashers are useless
you dont a basher!
you just have to use your clones to block the path of the enemy hero..
to ensure heshe will not escape!
hi every one i wan to tell you that with this hero there is no use to play the others.i usually try to make every atack us many copis as i can and the chans of thath with 3 lvlphantome edge and juxtapos and hyperstone it blow to nearly 100 persent.So in game with him u must get Boriza,Radiance,Manta and hyperstone adn you win.i saw some guys said that with hyperstone thay can catchu - this isn t rigth all copis play us 1 and make same dmg with same speed so if you find a way to beat him pls tel
harbinger can kill these.. just one sanity eclipse.. all illusions dead meat.. ehhe. no use doppelwalk.. just buy a gem..
can images proc a bash with bashers????
Manta style definitely. Then butterfly, linken.
1.AC
2.Butterfly
3.Buriza
4.BoT
5.Manta
6.Basher/Vlads
GG.
i find pugna with his 1st skill effective agaist this guy, if u hav even more good counter on him pls. acknowledge me
I know for a fact im not the greatest PL user but im pretty sure Vlad's is an important item for him. thats just my opinion
@deathlike25: You need a good counter for PL? I will give you the best 2- Axe with HoT, 4 blademails nad quirass; and Leshrac with aghanim, shiva 4 blademails; I exclude boots since we are speaking of 1v1 game - countering exactly PL and you wont need boots since you will not have to chase or run.
Just attack the base and when he comes to protect it - kill
earth shaker can easily kill this runt
he can roundhouse kick chuck norris
wow his ulti...illusions duplicating themselves. "robots making robots" lmao. you have to be really good at microing with his illusions. and RAZOR OWNS THIS GUY
Favourite character for all time, havent met one who i havent been able to kill with this guy yet
the way to success lies in maxed spirit lance and level 1 DW juxtapose and ulti
1) spirit lance him
2) walk VERY close to him and doppel and you have 2
3) lets hope you trigger some illusions
4) whack a second lance and say byebye to that guy
if nathan is here this is his predator here... so in other words evergreen32 will be cursed. hahas........
Dota 6.52 best build is definetely
1: Agi Treads
2: Radiance
3: Buttefly
And if u get that far you can just buy MKB's Buriza or Bashers to fill up ur slots. There really is no need for manta he duplicates enuff as it is. Just don't let urself die at all early game and you will be fine.
treads
assault
butterfly
basher
basher(or manta or sny)
buriza
your opponent will be like sleeping beauty
for me there is no need for manta. he just keeps making illusions but feedback is great though. battlefury i think is not really necessary since your images can only splash 35% of 25% percent of your damage. radiance is nice, and so is S&Y.
The best 4 the illusion God:
vanguard
PT
Crystalis
(to rule in the forest)
butterfly
cuirass
manta>optional
(to rule in the game)
The god will keep spam illusion n of course pawning in simple thing, right now.
If I have manta on me , and 6 images around me...will every image burn mana from an enemy hero ?
I haven't seen a lot of people vary from the Manta style build. However, I find that Maelstrom to Moljinar works better and easier to farm.
My 6 Item late game build usually consists of ..in order of obtaining...
1) Treds
2) Malestrom --- Moljinar after vlads
3) Vlads
4) Butterfly
5) Battle Fury
5) Assault Curiass
You should be farming way more than enough gold after you get maelstrom...
By that time, you will get massive amounts of gold / hero kills
Once you get Moljinar...game is over
This hero is awaresome. I played with pro and always got 0 death. Just get BOT and always pushing. When there's an enemy, dopple walk and jump to another liane and push again...you will get lots of gold!!! Use Manta when facing tower...
My build:
- BOT
- Manta
- Buriza
- Butterfly
- Basher
- MKB or BKB depends on situation.
And don't get Radiance or Battle Fury. You need to allow sometime for yourself yourself and your image to hit in order to generate maximum images > For another push or possible team battle/ganking.
You definitely need Manta. The possibility of image generation on Juxtapose is random. If you are really bad luck, you may not get your first image, thus further images. If worst case happen, Manta allows you create 2 images, and hence this increase the chance to generate more images.
good strategy.... really help me a lot....
eh fuck la u so noob
vladamir's is gud for azwraith but when u dopplewalk the enemy couldnotice that your neutrals lose their devotion aura.
Siudan I disagree with your build
You prolly dunno how images work in dota..(for example no pure dmg will work on images like mkb +60 dmg and buriza + 75 and bunch of other things)
and your comment about how in pro games you always have 0 death with him.. I mean that is obviously not a pro game, or you just stay in fountain all the time.
1. you are a late gamer (meaning you are gank target)
2. you cannot run away from gank with dopple because they will buy ward to use just for gank...
and you mention manta being good because of extra 2 img creation, but you missed another major reason, which is the fact that mana burn is like one of the few orb effect that works on image meaning that your images will burn 36 mana on enemy as well as doing 18 dmg on hero (36 on creep). Also important thing about basher and image is that when images shows a bash image, it does not actualy bash (known as fake bash) so only the main phantom lancer bash, meaning it is not ideal on pl.
For canceling channel spells you already have spirit lance.
well this is my personal favorite build on pl (well of course you cannot farm it all, but my ideal item on pl. aside from rapier)
1.bot
2.vlad
3.manta
4.heart
5.bfly
6.mjolnir(or second heart)
and yes manta does stack with mjolnir
(bfly and mjolnir can be considered a bad item, since they give away who the real one is with attack speed and lighting, but you should have swarm of image with aspd already and you and imgs are tank)
mjolnir and manta DONT STACK
mjolnir and manta DONT STACK
to kogaru
ok I always thought it did.... my mistake
just tried it out :P thx
so yeah forget the manta get second bfly or heart for last XD
sorry for second post but yeah buriza or mkb works too (cause if you are that fed who cares if you create more image because you atk faster..) ... lol no joke
(mkb ministun is fun to look at too :P all those fake stun might make them think otherwise XD)
imagine your self fighting wth dozens of him!!haha!
very simple but DEADLY
Killer Or Supporter?? Phantom lancer is good in any of these.^_^
D: D: 6.54 Nerfed Phantom bad.. n
Limited to 5 clones
i know that this hero need:
1.manta style
2.power treads
3.heart of tarrasque
4.heart of tarrasque
5.heart of tarrasque
6.vladimirs offreing
P.S
hearts of tarrasque make this hero and his illussion imba
Skills need to be updated
for all those idiots saying this guy is unkillable late game.. just get ES with a gem, spot the real one blink and ulty when he has mass images! there you go PL is useless late game now
Bug. Spirit lance is doubled, please fix it..
does deso work for him?
i prefer conserder him as tank with vangaurd and vlad then manta
ugh. what happened here?...
there' 2 spirit lance here...
LOL!
Skills are fucked up, 2x lance xD
Fix it soon lol...
this hero should be nerfed..he's so imba late game..
@154 whoever tryyour builds will get owned, the correct build should be butterfly, battlefury, s&y, heart, Manta Style and anything you want.
ure so noob manta and s&y dont stack if u onli get manta for xtra copies ok i understand but get manta/bfly/valds/mkb/threads/w/e u want as long as it aint orb like buriza or anythin like if u want another mkb for dmg
unstopable
Sorry forgot ab out it. no need for manta only battlefury, S&Y, Butterfly, treads, and heart then you can own already. Manta is not needed with himi sinc ehe can produce 2 image right away and his as is great image come out a lot.
you dont need vlads, your images dont absord life form lifesteal the animation is fake. I think i saw it on the image post.
Phantom Lancer is a little weak pussy
Tip: Dont ever let him go late game he will rape u with his images
asss..noob.don't need bf.it a waste of money.the item necessary for azwraith is something that also gives benefit for his clones.item he shud hav:
1.radiance2.powerthreads3.MKB4.skadi
5.tarasque6.butterfly.why?for orb effect item,i chose skadi coz it is necessary when chasing enemies.it can slow down enemies after being hitted by spirit lance,your clone will also deal a slow efct.radiance,bcoz with your chasing clone it deals also damage.MKB and butterfly coz it increse the possibiliti of...
cre8ting new images.more fater altacks,the more even your clone will eventually appear.ive choosen powerthreads with bot coz u don't need that teleporting skill al ober the map.plus the additional spd is is'nt necessary.as i told u,with the clone havin a skadi will slow your enemy already.plus its just a waste of money to produce in early part of the game.4 tarasque over vlad,it is alot better.base in my exp,you clone don't need regen.instead,to make him "makunat"(haha)also for his clones.
he's a cool hero he's the king of illusion and spirit lance is so cool
ya ruelle i totally agree with that build
My build for phantom lancer
1. BoT
2. Manta
3. Buriza
4. Butterfly
5. Basher
6. Vladmir
When you meet imba-lategame-stunners like void or troll Phantom Lancer must be one of the best counters!
Few other heroes can meet permastunners endgame.
just go in single player and test this its so pro
treads buriza radiance bfly assault curiass and _________
mostly the first 4 make u awesome
*sigh* too bad there's a limit to how much images u can produce
sorry if i double post but zeus's ult can really help on finding the real lancer because wrath only hits the real heros i found that out when someone got the mirror image rune and the real hero was the only one hit not the image. so yeah wrath is a good counter for pl's images
Just saying, but.... pure late game hero..
*WARNING*
Hero will own late game if pl farmed well. No counter once pl gets atleast 4 of his main items. Will pwn everyone. Only weakness low armor.
I know that manta style contributes alot to his images but what about his other problems like Hp and his low armor. Azwraith is a chaser I think he would need some chasing items like Sange and Yasha.
