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Strategies:The Assassin Within - shazzam66's Gondar posted by shazzam66 on 2008-06-23Bounty Hunter the Ultimate Hero Killer posted by vengence2006 on 2006-09-04 |
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who made all these info?? it's wrong. gondars wind walk has no bonus movement speed. it has backstabing damage.
lvl 1 - 30
lvl 2 - 60
lvl 3 - 90
lvl 4 - 120
NO MOVEMENT SPEED BONUS!!!
gondar is one of the most coolest and strongest dota hero!!!
jinada skill.......... cool......nice........ dodge and critical.... cool
i tot shuriken got minor minor stun?
Upen maybe drew just wrote this wrong ......PM Him if you want....he's busy though >_>
@king of feeding yeah bout 0.1secs i think
so theres like no chance to stun with it
bh has no fear for anyone. if he met with those channeling spells, he can toss and stun dem. if chasing dat time and oppo town port, he can oso stun dem. when his ww and toss skills are max, both skills add up to around 550 damage b4 minus the armor. it is beta den lion lvl 6 ulti. haha. if he is in danger, he can ww. tink his basic damage is too high liaoz. perhaps dagon is gd for him?
bh has no fear for anyone. if he met with those channeling spells, he can toss and stun dem. if chasing dat time and oppo town port, he can oso stun dem. when his ww and toss skills are max, both skills add up to around 550 damage b4 minus the armor. it is beta den lion lvl 6 ulti. haha. if he is in danger, he can ww. tink his basic damage is too high liaoz. perhaps dagon is gd for him?
however, personally i tink dat he shld scare of blood seeker. coz blood seeker is able to catch up wif him and stop him from running.. maybe a bkb for him if his oppo is blood seeker? or any beta ideas if he meets blood seeker?
my name sez it all
indeed an ultimate killer.
What i use with gondar is Battlefury because it gives you capability to attack multiple targets at once then but i find sange usless for this char. but i guess its all preference
gondars toss has a stun o.1 sec :) try it when crix ulti ..both luna's eclipse has 0.1 stun
that about uve said gondar vs blood seeker must play clever..ww toss then again ww and shuriken all the time this combo,,,
while windwalking, wait for cooldown.. atk wid bakstab dmg then track then shurikentoss then atk til enemy retreats.. windwalk and overtake enemy, then atk wid bakstab dmg, atk atk then shurikentoss for the kill. bh shud only fear enemies with trusight
am a bit stressed out with this guy... he just harassed me earlier... argh!!!
Does Jinada stack with dodge from the butterfly? If not does butterfly's overide his natural dodge since its more? Just curious cause I randomed him and I got a butterfly and it seemed like i was dodging a LOT more.
Gondar used to be soo strong now they changed track~~~~ so hes not that good nemore
balaaaa
im constantly annoyed by noobs with invisibility and hw they hunt my wards and 2 heros used by people with any skill level clinkz and especially rikimaru and then i used this hero against them
they were pretty mad a fter like the 6th time i used track to kill them i lost to them every time untill using Gondar and clinkz is like "OMG stop map hacking i used Wind walk soooo gay"
i was laughing pretty hard then and i was up in his face like awww mad cuz i wreck u when u dont have invisibility to hide behind he then challenged me to another game claiming he could beat me without using invisibility i then wrecked him again with gondar while he used drow ranger (most similar to clinkz) 10-4 him 2-12 creeps ksed me twice i got care
sorry didnt finish my last ost accidently pressed enter
well anyway i got careless after owning him with track happened twice
anyway Gondar owns Jinadas critical is awesome and his shruikens stun has saved me quite a few times from channeling spells and stopping enemys in thier tracks wind walk is the best hero hunting skill though hands down.
Track only goes for 30 seconds...
Suggested Item Build for Bounty Hunter:
Power Treads
Ring of Health
Sange and Yasha
Monkey King Bar
Another Yasha
Wraith Band
I simply LOVE using him if there are any Windwalkers or any INVI heroes...
Love this guy - just went 10-1 beyond god like only second time using him (first was ai map -random). My build = ring or regen, power treads, sAy, radiance, then i started building for a mkb when we won (lvl 21)
This hero easy 2 kill ppl!!
muackks
BoT(open windwalk easy 2 chase ppl)
SnY
Buriza
HoT
cranium/mkb
divine
GODLIKE 4 U!
i havent used this hero in a while. if i remember correctly, track has a 5 second cooldown at lvl 3. i remember usin it on enemies mainly to harass or if they were on low hp.
bone clinkz nightmare cos bounty hunter can catch up with both track and windwalk activated
wat will happen if u equip gondar this:
-power threads....
-hyperstone...
-assault cuirase...
is it gonna be scary???
especially if i uses his track skill??
i the span of 2 1/2 years of playing dota, i havent tried this hero yet, i'd bettre try him out..
my highest kills with gondar is 16
way imbalanced - with the windwalk and any stunning skill, he can catch up to a low hp hero and insta-kill.
waaa a bonus windwalk movement?? is that the skill of Bone Clinz? XD
I reckon he isn't as fun to use anymore
I reckon he isn't as fun to use anymore
Upen is right from comment 2. You get bonus damage from breaking invisibility. not sure about movement speed though. Fix it drew :D
shuriken has a minor stun, good for stopping channeling spells and teleports ( town portal)
I'm making a guide for this guy now, please don't try to finish it before me.
I suggest for item build that he got these items:
Butterfly
Sange and Yasha
Power Treads
Monkey King Bar
Buriza-do Kyanon
Assult Curiass
If you got this, Gondar is an owner in attack speed and no one can get away from him.
nerubian is the anti gondar
if u lane the bug u wont have mana to do anything and ull start dying when hes level 6
would there be any point in getting a lothars midgame, so you can windwalk twice to get 2 hits in without retaliation, then lothars for a THIRD strike, or if they run lothars ww + track for extra fast chasing?
ultimate counter for rikki,bone clinz and others
not if u track nerubian first and buy a clarity potion. at early game, nerubian assasin and gondar are pretty even, late game nerubian will win.
Shuriken Toss has a ministun. It can cancel epicenter, freezing field, deathward, fiends grip and other channelings..
Gondar is the ONE
unbeatable hero
My build for Gondar, Bounty Hunter
1)Power Thread
2)Butterfly
3)Santanic
4)Buriza or MKB(ur choice)
5)Assaul Cuirass
6)Heart Of Tarrasque
butterfly? uh... has natural evasion, although not as much as butterfly would give.
buriza wont stack with natural critical
u dont want to give off auras when ur invisible and hav tracked a hero, assault cuirass is a big no.
heart and satanic? hes an agility hero :|, get more damage on him.
What about this 1...?????????
1)Power Thread
2)Divine Rapier
3)MKB
4)Battle fury
5)Radiance
6)Eye Of Skadi
d best!!! just buy 6 iron wood branch!!! then go!!! this hero becomes like immortal!!!
why skadi as an orb effect? SnY is better cos he can use that movement speed or desolator as when u track a hero, their armour gets reduced + anotha 6 from desolator. and i didnt mean get him ALL damage items, u gotta get some stat items. the battlefury can be used to make up for his poor farmin though
Gondar is such a riged hero.... i hate him. At low lvls ww kills with 120 crit dmg, and at hi lvl jinada kills you with a terrific crit... he is so strong that i love him X_X (did u got it)
gondar is very iritating with windwalk
Course he is irritating, Jinada owns with Butterfly btw, probli need basher l8a coz annoying when victim runs...and runs.. so:
Butterfly
Basher
MKB
Buriza (if you enjoy double kills)
treads
Dude(s)...trust me, gotta master BH so you can be part of a team...counter with DROW or..a really good tank?
Anyways HAPPY HUNTING!
i hate this hero when he's my opponent. i'm having a hard time killing him.
butterfly and jinada stacks?
meaning 50% evasion?
butterfly and jinada stacks?
meaning 50% evasion?
he is a hero for no lifers.He might do decent damage but his strategies are always the same throughout the game
1. PT/BOT
2. Deso
3. AC
4. Butterfly
5. Vlad
6. MKB
It's impossible for me to have a bad game with this guy. Get vladamirs and S+Y relativley early and you will own most heroes. Last game with this guy was 19-0 and all i managed to get was PT, Vlads and S+Y but obv i had about 6k that i couldnt be assed to spend.
1. Power Treads
2. Sange and Yasha
3. Vladamirs Offering
4. MKB or Butterfly
5. Whatever.... its probably gg!
Build 1:
Vanguard
Battle Fury
Sange & Yasha
Vladimir's Offering
Linken's Sphere
Agi Treads
Build 2:
Buriza-Do-Kyannon
Monkey King Bar
The Butterfly
Radiance
Assualt Curiass
Boots of Travel
no butterfly?
no butterfly?
PT
SnY
Vlad's
MKB
BoT
SY
Butterfly
Butterfly
HoT
MKB
maga hero one of the best i think
i would think
Power Treads (atack speed+mov. speed)
S & Y(Mov.speed+attack speed + nice effect
MKB(DMG)
Basher(to stun enemy)
MKB(DMG)or Butterfly (DMG+attack speed)!
IMBA!
I was defeated by a friend whos used Gondar in a 4v5 match. I have lost bcoz i choose clinkz,his easy target. Clinkz windwalk cudn't save me.
Can he c me when im on windwalk. Does Gondar have true sight. Which hero shud i take 2 slay him once n for all. Wat is his weakness? PLs help
If you are smart one, gondar will win againts lion,lina and other intel hero by using wind walk trick.
well it would be hard to touch some people who have wards everywhere and gem of true sight!!! I always see gondar vs sniper in games but I don't know why all the games I see gondar wins sniper can just get gem of true sight and an eos with twin bashers he pushes better and gondar can't attack him much only if he has low hp already I don't understand those who use sniper
oops I forgot that the gondars win the whole game with their pushing ability coz sniper can harass and harass all he wants
why do they lose????
@Kongo Sk3tch
gondar has track which gives him true sight to the hero you use track on
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i slightly, in fact really disagre wit da abuv builds.i wud do sumetin more along the lines of..
pwr trds
mnky kng bar
hyper stone
mnky kng bar
da rst is up to the play styl.
135% IAS+about 96%AS = 230%AS
160+ 100 ish = 260 dmg per 1.3 secs
260 x 3.3 = 866 dmg pr 1.3 secs
+260/7 x 3.3 = 122(crit on avrg)
+100+100+200 x 0.6 = 120 =1100 ish dmg
+say 3 ish bckstb hts= 360+ crit(50 ish) = 410
=1500 dmg per 1.3 secs(give 1700~ or take 1300 ~ depending on crit haps)
way btr gd build
da abuv build is way cheaper and gives some mean dps.
plz comment- especially people like "lupeman" and "eyefury"
any thing wrong wit the general build minus the lack of build defining items eg bash and such or life and armour items?
any tips?
soz bout third post, but above dmg is 4 the first 3 ish secs followed buy a more 1000 dps dmg after ...unless still backstabing.heros wit nice stuns wud b fun wit this hero.
mask of madness wud b fun 2.not against real good players that would own when mom is activated ending in a noob death by u EG sniper 's ulti getting u...but still
this is a decent hero when used right.
but he is an easy prey for slardar.
this is a decent hero when used right.
but he is an easy prey for slardar.
One of the easiest heroes to use= noob hero
its difficult to click on him and he got windwalk
would SnY and a Yasha stack
@logiklegend:y it does but i only get that on AGIheroes.my build 4 gondar is Boots,Bassilus,3wraithbands,yasha.later desolater,travels,butterfly.lvl windwalk and toss first.vanguard is optional.is it good?plz comment!!!
this is my build :
-Power Treads
-Vladimir's
-Sange&Yasha
-MkB ( or another Yasha if u feed )
-and if possible, a Buttlefly
Plz tell me if its good
Both SnY and Desolater is good on this hero.
SnY is good for low hp, fast moving heroes
Desolater is good for high hp, slow moving heroes.
Pleas can you help I find it difficult to farm for gold whit gondor early game pls help
das easy. just put vlad's & bfury as ur primary items & u'l b able to farm good. then buy S&Y, Buriza & Butterfly. sell vlad's or bfury once u hv enough gold for radiance.
I've used this hero and beaten a lineup of guys with invis. (they were on LAN too). The funniest thing was when POTM used her ulti to try and save bone fletcher. They underestimated the power of track....
FAY DOI!!!!!!!
This guy is an awesome hero killer. He will win a 1on1 against everyone except tanks with dmg return (axe, nerubian assassin, centaur, mabye n'aix). Getting + 720 gold from a kill with track isn't bad either
he is agod hunter
very powerful hero with dodge and critical ... what you want?
My build:
Bracer
Treads
SnY
Yasha
Battlefury
Assault Cuirass
Is this build good ?
1. Power Treads
2. Sange n' Yasha
3. Battle Fury
4. Butterfly
5. Radiance
6. Aegis (Optional)
Total cost : 23000 gold....with this build you farm fast as hell and you kill your enemy very easy and fast , in one word > IMBA
I have a question , because I'm not sure....does Jinada (his skill) stacks with Butterfly and radiance ? that means 58% chance to dodge.....pretty cool
Treads
S&Y
Basher
Basher
Butterfly
Assault Quirass
man...the basher it's to expensive 3200 each...6400 gold for 30% to stun for 1.1 sec?
Maybe it is too expensive but your opponent LITERALLY can't move, man
I think we all know the power of dual basher build; Besides bash is the only thing Gondar doesn't have - he has dodge, critical, nuke; and he also has a decent att spead (excellent) with S&Y
I will test your item build , thanks for advice
help please...
im a beginner in Dota...
what is the best item for this guy?
thx...
BoT
Butterfly
Desolator
Satanic
MKB
Radiance
OOps no Satanic!
Use Valdimir
thx....
i will test ur item buld..
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Hmm
my items for gondar are
*SnY*
*treads*
*battlre fury*
*butterfly*
*cuirass*
*vlademirs* - for life steal in the early game
*ur choice the last slot*
hehehe...
i hope u like it
now bh hav perma invis but cost of mana, last 30 sec but 25 sec cd at lvl 4..
gondar has no movement speed gain in his windwalk his speed comes from his SS
I LIKE GONDAR A LOT BUT NOT IF ITS MY ENEMY
easily one of the best hero killers in the game
gondar is hero that l hate most.he plays a dirty trick only.use slardar to against gondar!!promise 100% you will beat him...
this morning I went 6 times beyond godlike or something, endscore was 21-2-7.
build:
- PT agi
- Sny
- vlads
- butter
- rapier
- nothin yet :)
was a 31 min game which started in 5v3 ( I was in team of 3 ppl ) ownage build imo
the best hero for me
I usualy get FB with GOndar, when I';m lvl 3 or 4. I just say to my lane partner - "Attack that guy", and I go ww. Then, when they are both on my partner, I strike from the back, a few hits, toss, kill. I usualy have mega kill by lvl 8 and the game usualy ends when I have around 20 kills :P I rarely die more then twice. So easy to use this hero and pawn with him.
i usually get BF for BH because he has low mana and mana regen
this hero lv 4 can kill
when i was use it gondar i got 28 kills and o deaths....xd...try me?
went:
yasha
bot
mkb
deso
HoT
HoT
and still had 5k gold at the end.
my build is to go 4 pts in toss and ww till lvl 8, ww to last hit farm and toss only necessary when trying to kill a hero, but should concentrate to farm and level for late game.
Desolator or S&Y ... can anyone tell me what's better on him and why?
SnY for sure !!!
yup its all wrong
could ppl not use this hero plz?
hes so imba he can own with int items lol...
for the ppl who will say i just suck with this guy and get ownt by ppl who use him all the time...
the very first time i used gondar the bounty hunter i was 22-1
so dont use him
plz
my strat with gondar is
1. threads
2. butterfly
3. mjollnir
and if u havent won yet
4. divine rapier
i allways play like this and i allways win with him, and too u ppl who say mjollnir is bad, shame on u it give alot of dmg and the chain lightning which will activate alot cuz his high ASm
for one thing; this guy is what we call "overpower"! ridicously high MS. way to high (base) atkspd....
for one thing; this guy is what we call "overpower"! ridicously high MS. way to high (base) atkspd....
for one thing; this guy is what we call "overpower"! ridicously high MS. way to high (base) atkspd....
for one thing; this guy is what we call "overpower"! ridicously high MS. way to high (base) atkspd....
sry for spamming. wasn't my intention!
i had the funniest first blood
i was bot with bh and facing a silencer...
i ww then started attacking him
he was dead b4 the 1:00 mark
Roflcopter
silencer is easy to take out against someone with no experience with him though. That is still funny as hell though. Gondar is Godlike!
ok im pretty sure the jinda and bfly stack because jinda is dodge and bfly is evasion
am i right?
Evasion is evasion but ne-way it does stack trust me try observing the difference when u finally meld ur butterfly very noticeable difference
how in the world do u spam like that?
ok Jinada and bfly does not stack
only evasion that actualy stacks is void's backtrack (since it is not evasion lol)
if you notice a difference, it is because bfly has 30% evasion while jinada has 20%, in which case higher evasion takes over and bounty hunter now has 30% evasion.
Evasion do not stack!
He's amazing, my build is the following
1) Power treads (Agility)
2) Butterfly
3) Eye of skadi
4) Shiva's guard (or a blood stone)
5) Cranium basher
6) Buriza
reason(s) why I get an eye of skadi, yeah a bonus movement speed from SnY is nice but I have a slow attack, +25% attack speed (1 agility =1% AS) + 475 hp (19*25) and plus 25 damage. the slow is 100% when you have the chance to maim with SnY, combined with a cranium basher you begin to chain bash enemies making it impossible for
them to get away. A shiva's guard is your last resort if someone has stunned u and is trying to get away, it slows and does decent damage then you can combo with a shuriken and then a windwalk for a decent ammount of damage.
You would get a bloodstone because of the mechanics for a bloodstone. Your ulti gives you a max of 150 bonus gold per kill, when you get a kill with a blood stone you get +2 hp/mana regen, you lose less gold when you die and revive faster. You keep more gold, get huge
regen bonuses, and revive faster if you need too plus you gain +450 hp 400 mana and a 200% mana regen (think of how offten you can use things such as shuriken and windwalk from just the +200% mana regen and then add +2 regen from each charge you have from your hero kills). take for example a BS with 16 charges +38 hp regen per sec (+6 initial and then +32 from charges) and then you get a +32 mana regen then apply the +200% regen. finally you heal your allies for 450/400 hp and mana when you die.
Buriza gives you the bonus dps while you also get huge attack speed from your PT's and Bfly (+105% 35%+10% (from the bonus agility of PTA) +60%) it racks up a lot, you get to reduce your enemies armor by 4 already and ge a +20% movement speed bonus from your Track for 30 secs. no one can hide from you, you get massive damage out put, and you become an assassin tank if you go bloodstone or a shiva's guard (bonus armor). all in all it is a pretty effective combo if you ask me plz tell me otherwise
shuriken does have minor stun, but it doesnt state it
Yeah thats true I don't know why they don't state that in there, but anyway I didn't know that 'gokind' I'll take that into account because I think its better for him not to have something that ovverrides his abilities because I feel that it takes away from the hero so....
Here's the Ideal Bounty Hunter
1. Powertreads (Agi or Str)
2. Sange and Yasha
3. Vladimir or Hood of Defiance
4. Vanguard
5. Assault Cuirass
6. Bloodstone
^ noob items
How? Explain.
ZOren likes this hero too much.. he can buy eaglehorn in just 14 min. wit a boots and vladimirs
i played the easiest game ever yesterday with gondar
18kills
0death
25assist
my build was
treads(agi)
Vladamir's
S&Y
battlefury
battlefury(again)
and empty(or ageis)
i don't like getting him butterfly or buriza sinces hes got jinata
just love his ms
great for chasing
it was so funny last game
i was lvl 21 with all the items i hav above (expect for the second battlefury )and they had wards with all againt me
i managed to kill 3 of them before i escaped(they had centar, furion, pudge,void(the noob)invoker(the next noob)(invoker only had bloodstone and boots
