Ish~kafel - Dark Seer

Well...without allies he doesnt seem to be that powerful but i wouldnt like to see a centaur warchief running at full speed at me!

1. sheepstick (for mana and disable)
2. radiance (together with his Ion Shell)
3. battle fury (dmg and other nice stuff)
4. helm of dominator > satanic

and ofc, power threads.

what do you think? i ROCK with this build.

1. sheepstick (for mana and disable)
2. radiance (together with his Ion Shell)
3. battle fury (dmg and other nice stuff)
4. helm of dominator > satanic

and ofc, power threads.

what do you think? i ROCK with this build.

Necro + ion shell = QQ?

Will vacuum be good with magnataur's ulti? That plus magnus shockwave followed by ion shell and radience will be AWESOME.

I think i can already come up with the suitable item build for this hero. Basically Dark Seer is a chaser-tank INT hero (surprise surprise). Look at his skills.

Ion Shell - dmg over time (like radiance)

Vacuum - sucks ppl in so that they surround you and get dmged by ion shell

Surge - allows you to outpace any hero and kill them with aura dmg.

Wall of Replica - put it across yourself when you Vacuum so that heroes (friend/foe) are forced to go thru, thus creating a hell of a confusion, which again helps your tanking more.

All of his skills pt towards tanking, therefore his items belong to the Hearts-Radiance build (wicked AoE dmg!). Additional dmg from Ion Shell + Radiance = 75 + 60 + 35 = 170 add. dmg on a single target.

Items:
Boots of Travel
Hearts
Radiance
Void Stone (to spam his spells, especially Surge)

One word - SICK

Why stop at void? Just get a sheepstick or a Battle fury on top of that.

I tried this guy and had terrible luck

This guy is awesome... esp with vacuum and ion shell, harass harass and cast ion shell and vacuum...... first blood

This guy, IMO, nids some nerfing. Hes a good ganker, put up ur wall then vacuum the enemies in it. Gurantee one kill at least.

Surge is GREAT! thanks to surge, he can kill any low hp hero

ulti is kinda gay that, doesnt deal that much damage, i got bored and walked back and force in the wall just to make lots of copies. vacuum great, good early game harasser if u r good at creep blockn. pity its an AoE thing and doesnt pull in that much

use vacuum with crixalis lol ;P but that would have to be done over ventrillo to be executed well or like in 1st person chatting... ;P and if they also had a magnus.. even better + a raijen lol.. constantly drawing them to same spot.

the first time i played this hero, i saw his ability's and i thought, lets try something. i bought powertreads, 3 wraith bands and S&Y, and i owned.... had 10-1 in the first 18 minutes. put Ion Shell on self, pull enemys towards you and keep chasing them. he has very much strength and intel, so HP and base damage is OK. play him like an agi chaser hero. first max out Ion Shell and Vacuum, after that go Stats and at lvl 11 start building up your ulti.

A cheap asian copy of bounty hunter!

A cheap asian copy of bounty hunter!

i think this hero will make the difenrce in battle 5vs5 now!!!think it 5 more heroes with his ulti at least to control and take kill!!!!!

lets say this guy is imba u cant run cause its 1st skill and its 3rd skill is so imba even viper is usless against him

THESE NEW HERO HAVE CHANGED DOTA FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY EITHER!!!!

this is that hero i like most at the 6 new hero

And the Lord said: Let there be double posting?? And yeah he has cool skills that are useful for teamplay but the ulti is kind of weak. But if you manage all 10 heroes throgh u can have quite an army. Only one image per hero though.

I love the ulti for confusion, but most of all Ion Shell and Radiance are just plain IMBA. :3

I wouldnt build BoT with him because he can maxpeed anyways.


So rather build:

PT
Radiance
MKB
Satanic

and then its up to you ... probably an Scythe or an HoT...

man this guy is great we won a game and all i had was boots 2 nulls and dagon 3 lol

He need some void stone, to make eul, make some oblivion, to make guinsoo. Does he need to have agi. If it is, giive him eaglehorn. Wow! haha

3 on 1?? no problem!! just surge OR wall of replica then vacuum...
Very interesting hero, might give a try at him later!

ion shell works on ivis or ww? Like riki whit ion shell

ion shell works on ivis or ww? Like riki whit ion shell

Does his ulti has effect on enemies or clones?

i tested his ulti many times and it works on ally and enemy heroes. SO when everyone is pushing and defending....use it.. PLUS refresher orb can be used to make 2 walls.

i would love to play this hero against PL , just imagene all those clones duplæicating

Nice idea ppont .Only bad thing is that illusions wont duplicate after they pass the wall, only real lancer will(I have tried against naga siren - didnt work on illusions so i guess its same with lancers illusions).

useless ult...
It would be better if the ult is just an aoe spell which makes images of heroes in an area.

High Int and str. He's just like the clone of Bounty Hunter! But I like Dark seer than Bounty! He's strongeer thatn Gondar!

ulti can be quite annoyin if u hav vlads and its pushin time.

nice nice nice nice exellent for preventing pushes

Ish ~ kafel is so great! He is supporter, and he is a very good hunter (the best hunter in my opinion).

Ion Shell is so imba, cast it on yourself, then cast surge on you and after that attack enemy. Nobody can't escape!

"M-m-m-monster-Kill!"

vacuum seems a good move to retreat!! dont know how his ulti would b good though?? but seems alright

This hero is hard to use, i wish someone can master it and post a strat on him.

ive had a lot of success with this hero, so im curious to see what u guys think

start off with a null, and basically get his shell and vacuum and surge abilities. this guy can harass so well, just cast shell on urself and vacuum everyone in
also, this guy can be a great chaser hero with the shell and surge, ppl underestimate surge and even if ur hurt, surge will get rid of the negative buffs to give u a fighting chance. radiance, boots of travel, maybe even a skadi for some slow, this guy can farm very well, cast ion shell on your own creeps just like avernus does and watch the gold pile up. especially vs dirge and his zombies

get vacuum first. creep block effectively and vacuum the enemies creeps nearer to ur tower. earlier push and u can deny easier too :D

The vaccum is great. Once, faceless walked in our town trying to kill Dark seer but unsuccessful. Then he use town scroll at a safe place. But he couldnt go because of vacuum. hahahahahaha!!!!

I loooove the Seer.

Early game, even early mid game, his spells own other Heroes hardcore style, especially Ion Shell.
I get that first thing, along with vacuum, and then get surge (well maybe 1 point in surge), just because early game is when they are the most useful against enemy Heroes - you can destroy 1 tower easy, maybe even two if the other team isn't organized!

Mid-game on Ion Shell and the damage from Vacuum aren't so great against Heroes, but they always OWN creeps. You can stop a creep wave in 1-2 seconds flat - combined with the ulti (for huge, Hero-led pushes/counter-pushes), you're a hardcore pusher.
Add Battlefury and he'll never have a problem with creeps. Ever.

He's much more of a pusher/support type Hero, rather than a tanker battlemage. That's just what he's geared towards.
I get
Battlefury
BoT
Skadi (trust me, the slow owns)
Assault Cuirass
Vlads
for ultimate push power and creep domination. Let other people kill enemy Heroes with the help of your buffs. Just concentrate on slaughtering creeps wholesale, and earning boatloads of cash! Hell, you could even give items to your teammates if you have too much gold (which can sometimes happen).

Hmmm, i think this guy twin brother of Gondar

fastest hero for 6 scnds lol,,, could beat blandar even it's night if this is have skadi.

Got a question.Does his ulti copy images too?e.g slithice,if thats the case imagine a wall of replica with pl and siren.

is 2x basher gud for this hero

surge + 2x basher permastun
and radiance+ ion shell

WTF IS OFC OMG T_T

WTF IS OFC OMG T_T

way too strong hero i think

the ultimate hero but only the Wall of Replica could be better (only 35% attack dammage :/).

this guy is ok.... i guess... people should think twice attacking this guy at early game... this guy has a damage of 60-66 at lvl 1

balanar will win any hero nighttime 1v1... seriously

nice skill build except the last one

i've used him,u can change his build,euls scepter is enough,then use ion shell vacuum combo for farming,HoT,2 basher's,and assault cuirass and u can destroy a whole team,proven to be a killing AGI type for an INT hero...

One of the most imba new heroes. I did not use it but someone else in enemy team did. OUr whole team was gg in level 7.
He took boots in start of game, put on ion shell and ran along with enemy, a definite hero killer at level 3-4. Dominating before level 6. and if u dont have stun, Ion shell will kill u. if enemy is esacping just chase with surge. This hero definitely needs to be nerfed otherwise people will exploit him a lot. I am going to try him the first thing today.

just calculate the damage of ion shell:
15*30 = 450 at level 1. Even Laguna takes six levels for that
at level 4 its an imba
15*75: 1175 - at hero level 7
U need a must BOT to chase well (sny a another add) and dont forget surge

just calculate the damage of ion shell:
15*30 = 450 at level 1. Even Laguna takes six levels for that
at level 4 its an imba
15*75: 1175 - at hero level 7
U need a must BOT to chase well (sny a another add) and dont forget surge

i think in campaign, this guy have an ability to permanent invisible at the last campaign of Orc or Human i dont remember..
when orc combined with naga to kill someone..

He's same race as Gondar

This guy's ulti sucks ballz i mean wtf enemy just goes through it and weak image appears big woop. Shittest ulti eva

There is one time that i cast surge to myself with my hp low. when i was killed by morphling dark seer became alive in a sec in the fountain just like having aegis. i dont know if it is a bug.

This is probably the most popular among the new heroes

His skills are sooooo cooool...

only thing i hate about him is his attack animation...he punches the creeps in the face....boooooooringg......just joking!!

This hero is awesome to lane control. Just keep harrassing the enemie hero with Ion Shield and finish him with Attack + Vacuum when his HP drops low enough.

I use Power Threads, Battle Fury, Guinso for this, works most of the time. The left items I change based on my team/enemies each game.

i think meepo is good with wall of rep. since the geomancers are not illusions

In my opinion this hero is seriously IMBA. The first skill outshadows enigma's final skill, which requires channeling.I had this face my enigma and it was black hole vs vacuum, but it turned out that he had no need to channel, so he just left the battlefield while killing my creeps.

this heros is crazy when u can use it
his iron shell plus radiance make u cry
T.T
radiance is a must 4 this dude

Well I did a bit of experimenting on items hehehe I dunno if this works but I got 19Kills and 4 deaths.

Well this are my items
1.2 null talisman ( after building Battle fury sell the two and replace with what you want, as for me I changed it for M.K.B. or you could go for Burize for the whooping crit)
2. Power treads ( for attackspeed )
3. Battlefury ( for fast gold )
4. Manta ( for the deadly grip of 30% damage of 100 )
5. Mjolnir ( for the static charge of 200 dmge per hit by the enemy + ion shell hehehe I made a DK with this )
6. Assault Cuirrass ( For atk spd & armor and buffs.)

Oh almost forgot you can also put in Vlademaires offering if you don't want the assault cuirrass.

THIS HERO IS SO UNBALANCED, IF A PRO USES HIM IT BECOMES POINTLESS TRYING TO ATTACK !!!

Your ion + radiance works as "cleaving" or "splash dmg" dont need bfurry, sheep stick good enought later for mana regen and pool
1. Get sobi mask to spam ion shell early and make sheep stick later on
2. Rush radiance to farm faster in lanes (Can easily get 200-350 creep kills per game with radiance)
3. Sheep stick to disable + extra dmg
4. Boots of travel to run faster
4. Skadi to slow 3 secs for ez chase and extra hp + stats
5 & 6. HoT firt if dying fast or Dagon lv 5 for good extra dmg

This all depending how good you start

a support hero...ASTIG...

this hero is great. all his skills are superb. his ulti is not that good at first, but in team battles you should use it at the back of the enemies so when they retreat, the replicas will haunt them, and your team passing through it will have replicas as well, just practice controlling those replicas.

my build is mostly null talisman, basilius, boots of travel, linken, radiance and skadi and he can really be a big suppport, a tank as well as a hero killer. and he's best at farming than any hero, since radiance+shell+vacuum can kill an army of pushed creeps instantly. my enemies get a hard time killing me because of surge, and any of my teammates I see being gangbanged, poisoned or slowed, I just surge them and they're safe running. with the right item, he's very scary at one-on-one, I even defeated traxex on 1-on-1 both of us in full HP, but I never tried it yet against balanar. even on race, anti-mage is having a hard time catching me using blink while I'm in surge. his vacuum skill will be loved by sandking and frost maiden, and it has a big aoe effect that can make all those blinking rather useless.

overall, a well-rounded hero. i thought he sucks because an int melee hero will be rather week, but i was wrong .

Ogre Magi is a melee intel hero... Multicast with aghanims :D

weeee...

weeee...

I dont know how ppl can use this guy so well, i tried, and ... :( i didnt do so great :P

Lolz I got another purpose of vacuum......


Wall of Replica + Vacuum through the wall = Instant Illusion!!!

This is my item build for him, depending on my enemies:

Anti-Melee Type:

2 Blade Mails
1 Radiance
1 Power Treads
1 Aghanims
1 Mask of Madness

Anti-Int Type:

1 HoD
1 HoT
1 Aghanims
1 Power Treads
1 Necronomicon
1 MKB

I think this hero realy suck dont know why its just

does aghanim work with hero? i didnt know that

Cast ion shell on leshrac.

75 (ion) + 177 (pulse nova) = 252 dps to everything.

Then cast surge on leshrac.

Or lane with any invis hero (especially rikimaru), cast ion shell on them while they are invis: Great combo.

This guy is all about hero combos, not solo'in. Vaccuum has a lot of combos (any aoe stun or dmg, as well as vaccuum-lightning grapple to move an entire team anywhere). Ion shell on tanks like axe or mags, leshrac... Surge techies early game, lvl 3 fb for sure. Surge heroes like ursa, sven, or jugs (dunno if this works tho, the surge/fury combo), or any hero that enemies flee from often.

Wall of replica is kind of weak but in a push its interesting, causes alot of confusion to everyone since theres so many heroes running around.

people say that this guy is great in combo's, which is true but solo this guy can be extremely good as well.

when youre alone in your lane just get vacuum and ion shell max ranked and after that surge or stats, i left wall of replica till 23-24-25 since i almost never use it.

grabbed x2 RoR and the mana regen thing, ion shell on a creep that isnt being hit, then just go harass the enemy, their health will drop very fast since your base damage is so high. If they engage, ion shell on self so he takes massive damage and vacuum them back to you if they try to get away.

after the rings get treads, skadi (might be a bit early but i like slow asap, youre not a solo killer mid game anyway imo), radiance, mkb, buriza, random item

when youre getting around lev 7 you can start farming neutral creeps, i just do my rounds when i'm scourge in between middle and upper lane, leave the golems and ursa's for what theyre worth, hunt satyrs, gnolls, trolls, kobolds, anything with low life and in group and let the cash roll in.

seer is an extremely good farmer which allows you to get to the good items very fast so if you stay alive you can have great items by end game and then you can easily solo kill a hero. nobody gets away from skadi+surge+vacuum.

great hero imo, only played two games with him yet but hes really nice.

I Got:
Sheep-stick
BDK
mask of madnes
heart
Lother's Edgge

put iron on use mask of m and wind walk belive me the hero yyour ataking is dead..

far too imba. u cant enter a base against dark seer and a seer who casts his ulti in your base....just destroys it...

Could anybody create a strat for dis guy plz!! I don really no how to use da guy man. SO ppzlplzplz create a strat for dis guy.

vacum is nice to push guys from roshan

can u do like this?, use wall then walk forward and backward through it repeatedly? , have an army of urself

for me

1.battle fury..
2.power threads..
3.butter fly..
4.guinsoo..
5.raidance..
6.heart of taras.

wahahha

for my battle type mode!!

then support.

for me..

1.mekanism..
2.guinsoo..
3.battle fury..
4.radiance..

i don't know the other 2...

wahahaha

full hardcore support is this item build
Meka, health
Vlads, lifesteal and mana regen
Guinsoo, escape item
Assault curiass, armour and attack speed
Radiance, just to add to the auras list.

I make this item build for heroes who r great powerpushers and support heroes, like broodmother + necronomicon (with tonnes of spiders) and omniknight (increase survivability to heroes and creeps)

Dark Seer is pretty much speedy character, and especially radiance with ion shell is just so brilliant.

BOUNTY HUNTER FOR BODYGUARD!!!

idea:
ion shell + radiance+ wall of replica
darkseer with shell walk to wall
then have illusion that have ion shell
110dmg + 110dmg from illusion

i haven't played him well enough yet, but i think skadi is good for him.

and i think that Ish`kafel should be banned from using blink dagger. (Imagine: blink into an impassable terrain, wait for enemies, cast vacuum, blink out. The enemies stay there)

in WTF mode, u can cast an infinite amount of ion shells on urself (until it wears out) to deal around 500 per second. :D

This hero rules in the early game vs melee hero lol..

But this hero sux in 1v1 game. cant stun and attack slow, low life, low armor.. any agi hero will take him down in late game.

But for 5v5 game this hero is too cool.
Because he farm super fast and seldom die, he can buy many cool items.

Try this build for 5v5 support game
Boots of Travel (For teleport support and pushing)
Arcane Ring (Mana support) -> change to guinsoo in late game
Mekansm (For healing and armor support)
Vladmir (For lifesteal and armor support)
Necronomicon (For attack speed support)
Radiance (For aoe attacking support)


Arcane ring is a must because everytime I run out of mana when I abuse my shell and vacuum for farming..

No problem in getting the above items.
when pushing he is the greatest helper with his annoying uti lol.. stay behind
with radiance, vacuum, cast shell on str melee hero and help low life surge away. Any problem tp away lol

Anyone figure out a 1v1 darkseer?
I cant fight 1v1 even with good items. Lost to Medusa that day on a 2v2 game!!

My items:
Boot of travel
Heart
Radiance
Manta (for eating up her mana)
Battlefury
Assult (Armor)

Medusa items:
Power Tread
Buriza
Skadi
Butterfly
MKB
Assult

purge me from far.. I have to change to illusion.. can only manage to get half her life lol.

My stupid teammate faceless void is lame. We own in early and mid game. After He sold off his 2 basher for a buriza, he lost to Medusa 1v1 haha.

Darkseer rocks as a support hero in my view.
Thanks

very nasty permabasher!

ion shell is imba

First time I used this hero on 5v5 I thought it sucked big time. Then I realized I had 8 kills and no deaths even though I didn't know how to use this hero LoL! Surge is a life saver

Ion shell + Surge than go circle round some enemies and before you know it they're dead... I got dagon for him hehehe. Yeah I know it's noobish but it was perfect haha

I think his Ult is rather useful. Imagine rushing to save your base and finding multiple heroes + images! Also, it's great for confusing people during a retreat. Go through and send images in every direction.

ud hav to be extremely good at micromanaging if u hav the ulti and plan to kill people with it.

i just freakin hate when broodmother hides in her web or when lanaya melds.... but not anymore... i just love when brood or lanaya come in cause of the AoE spells...PWNAGE!!!!

ulti blows i hate it

Wow! I like this hero! I just played it earlier! It's ulti isn't very useful but the other skills are! I used Radience and Bashers for this guy. Just cast Ion Shell on yourself then start punching the enemy hero. If the enemy starts running, use Vacuum then Surge! It's a sure kill!

probably the strongest hero..!! luv this hero.. he is my most favorite..

The ulti is very very good.Its no kill option but its one of the best skills to push or def...try it

him and rikimaru is amazing give riki radaince and put on ion shell and u wont even know it when 1/2 ur hp is gone. ouch me and my friend devised this combo ppl exclaimed it was cheap but i think its brilliant.

This Hero is awesome!!
use ion shell on yourself then vacuum a creepwave and youre gettin lots of money. with this its very easy to farm a radiance and a vanguard. when you have this you can farm and push even more easy.
Try him toghether with spirit breaker!!!
you can surge him and his aura will do imba dmg^^. you can even surge him during his charge and vacuum and his ulti prevents the enemy from fleeing. SB is very strong with ion shell and surge on him. same goes for naix.

randomed him for the first time today.

hes really fun, GREAT support. got my team first blood

easy to use, fun to use

Pudge with Ion Shell would be a great combo? :D
did u seriously suggest u surge spiritbreaker when hes in mid charge?

Guys, any1 working on a guide for this hero?
Else im going to create 1.

instead of commenting on dark seer, can someone please post an actual strategy for him, because he can be a little complicating.

also im not quite sure whether labeling him as ' intelligence was correct. look at his high amount of start hp and his high base damage. also his start movement speed is 305, something alot of agility hero's, take for example, jaharkal dont have.

this hero sucks on 1on1

haha i love this hero...i always do well with him and with certain matchups i can get a godly record :D

early game i get 2 bracers and boots, and solo if possible, deny and last hit, dont focus heroes too often. get vacuum and ion shell maxed out at level 8, then start working on surge( u dont need ulti till late game).

Mid game you can start ganking and farming like crazy. put ion shell on yourself and tank the creeps. Against creep pushes, use vacuum to suck in all the creeps around you, and if ion shell is on, u will farm massive gold. use this same technique to kill heroes, and surge to chase after them. Farm for fast radience

late game is easy, do the same thing and farm like mad. farm for MANTA. yes manta, i like it with seer...makes him harder to kill, his attack more deadly, and works well with his ulti.when ur enemies push, use ur ulti and u will make so many clones...it gets so confusing in battle, except for your team because u know which ones are clones...ur manta will also help with this. Ur ult also works well during your pushes, easy to kill rax, etc.


my strategy always works for me...battle fury helps but u farm creeps fast enough already...if the game lasts this long i go for guinsoos, linkens, and 2 bashers( for extra help and so those heroes that run away wont get away...surge+bash)

oh yeah i woulda made a strategy for this guy with screenshots and such but im new to this site and i dont know how T_T

oh btw ppl u dont know what ur talking about...this guys ulti is hella imba for pushes -__- vacuum heroes through the wall and if ur allies go through u can get like 10 extra images...u have no idea how hard it is with 15 heroes attack you( 10 clones)...so imba...and if u have radience, clones can farm for you too...this guys ulti is IMBA. ;D

the only thing i hate is that surge animation is kinda long D=

basher is useless to him since he has a low attack speed

u can ion shell enemies as well, it wont hurt the enemy that is ion shelled, but it will hurt the creeps/heroes surrounding him.

wall of replica is more useful in a push or counterpush situation, if theres no push, then its pointless to use.

diffusal blade removes surge and slows, ha

Lolz, shell is even better than bladefury, try ulti+vacuum unlimited army like that of lancer

what does imba mean?
pls i need an answer

what does imba mean?
pls i need an answer

no blade fury is the greatest atk ever

bladefury is better, deals more damage and is spell immune, but ion shell cooldown is immediate when ion shell is finished.
in WTF mode, ion shell is better though, cos it can be casted repeatedly and on creeps

this rocks! many kills..... if life is red... VACCUMMMMMMM!
INT

radiance! hehe a nice hero to play ", good farmer with ion shell and vacuum.

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you guys think he can put ion shell on wards? if he can that could really help!

im pretty sure the shell only works for living units.

For Dark Seer, i think i'll go for:
Power Treads
Guinsoo
Eye Of Skadi
Dagon
Radiance
Bloodstone

i used this hero many times.I think this is the best hero in the game.If your using this hero you should go for radiane threads skadi twin bashers then lothar.You're maybe wondering why you should get lothar.Well because if you use ion shell on yourself then lothar the ion shell still work,it's like an invisible pudge.ion shell(75 dmg per sec)+radiance(35dmg per sec)=dominating

hey I think its very good compliment to Rupture of Blood Seeker.. onve the foe is rupture and try to go to their base, cast a surge on the opponent then the faster he run.. haha!! the faster he dies

you can't cast surge on opponents

you can't cast surge on opponents

surge probably would get rid of rupture anyway.

Surge cannot rid off Rupture. Nothing can remove rupture's effects except avatar.

For good damage within ion shield, is the blade mail against melee enemies, manly naix, bs, pa, etc, at midle game.

with this hero i can build
1.)power treads
2.)HOT
3.)radiance
4.)buriza
5.)MKB
6.)hyperstone
such a great hero for pushing and farming even when dealing with mega creeps.

skill build

1.ion shell
2.vacuum
3.ion shell
4.vacuum
5.ion shell
6.vacuum
7.ion shell
8.vacuum
9-12.surge
13-25.stats

item builds

boots of travel
radiance
assault cuirass
battle fury

u guys suck n onlisome of u know how 2 play him EoS is a mus 4 tis guy ok noobs...

here is my suggestion based on experience and testing different strats listed in these comments.

skills:
1. get lvl 4 iron shell
2. lvl 2 Surge
3. then lvl 4 vaccume (get lvl 1 early if there are channelers like KotL/pugna/etc to interrupt them or for templar assassin)
4. then finish surge
5. dont get wall of replica till last

items:
1. start with 2-4 tangos and either ring of bas or save for voidstone depending on lane and if partner has ring
2. boots of speed (optional)
3. radiance
4. finish Elu's
5. heart
6. treads
7. hyperstone
8. either finish Assault Curias, guinsoo, or make a Bfury depending on the situation late game

ive had good success getting skadi too but only when im being allowed to farm still with low hp after getting radiance and Elu's. skadi is good to get if you are building darkseer for support instead of farming and dps.

also bfury is only needed if you are facing super-creeps and need a comeback

can u control those illusions

yes, u can control the illusions of the heroes

I might post a strat with him, but for right now. His best items are

1. Power Treads
2. Null Talismin
3. Hood of Defiance
4. Eye of Skadi
5. Radiance
6. Assult Carriuss (or however its spelled)

And also this guy is best when you farm farm farm at the begining

Sorry for double post i forgot to mention to trade Null with Manta Syle if you can later in the game :D

Haha playing this guy with meepo...

Player 1:OMFG i killed a meepo...shouldn't they all have died??? WTF
Player 4 has just pwned player 1 for 300 gold!

Does surge remove doom?Imma lazy to read the previous posts so I'm asking now.Thanks! and Ish~kafel kicks so much ass!

surge doesn't remove negative buffs, so doom can't be removed

Orchid Malevolance+Shiva's Guard OWNS

15% Amped ion shell damage
Surge yourself then artic blast!

BTW, description of surge


Floods a target with excess power, *removing most negative buffs* from it and giving it maximum speed for brief period of time.

If you are not doomed, probably.

the discription of surge is wrong:

it doesn't remove negative buffs any more (it only did in v. 6.44)

doom isnt a buff, its damage over time

not yet oluwl
DI BA KAYO NAGAARAL

Wtf some1 says this hero is imba!?He's a support hero in 1v1 game any hero will own him.Ulti sucks LOL

i think the illusions need more % damage like 50.....

Shiva's guard would be such a good item for him.
Think about it, he's an intelligence melee hero.
His -attackspeed aura would be great and the artic blast would be awesome for chasing heroes or running away.
Especially with that Surge skill.

his ulti IS useful, a fed tanky bounty 1v1'ed my dark seer, and i quickly cast my wall and got an image of myself and the bounty, and the bounty = dead

his ulti is also particularly useful against meepo, meepo = 4, 1 image per i believe, since i left my wall up and escaped to the fountain, and i got a double kill :S without even controlling any of the images

Arcane ring, that's all this guy needs. If the enemy is close to the ally tower, vacuum, then hunt down with surge. Arcane ring so he can have consistent ion shell for good gold. I'd use a dagon on him as well. There are a lot of possibilities on how to manipulate the last skill. I'm looking forward for a strat thats been given a lot of thought. This hero has lots of potential.

A tankish DS can destroy any melee hero as long as Ion Shell stands, and you have Radiance+Blade Mail+HoT.

Would EoS S&Y combo work on him?

i used this guy when i was vsin my freinds he wasnt that great hes mainly a support char if u have no skill at dota just use this guy and help ur mates pwn

make a strategy for this one pls, new heroes are hard to use without the real guide

Lol this hero needs a lot skill to be a hero killer without any m8's he's a good support hero especially with somebody like banehallow that moves fast or can go invis with shield on!!!

Doom owns him at lvl 16 with aghanims. 100 dmg per sec for 16 seconds and silence. no more surge for you Ish-kafa-wtf. 16 seconds of silence is a long time for cute lil Lucy to rape and f*** him not to mention lvl death. poor ol' Ish-KaF*** wont stand a chance against Lucy de DoomBringer.

Hahahahahaha.

well ish~kafel is a nice hero very good team up with ezalor

a nightmare for melee hero....seriously.....

Wat a hero

my items build

boots of travel
radiance
guinsoo

guys you gotta make a strat for this guy to help others like me

divine for him is beyond godlike

well i use him like a melee tank player...

i use 2vanguards treads radiance mkb

though this will not work 4 those player who doesnt know to conserve their mana and keeps on spamming spells...

4 skill its shell and stat to level 8
vaccuum 4 9&10 then its up to you if you want to grab his ulti...

the key with this build is find a lane with a melee hero f not the chose the lane closest to the secret shop...

semi spam his shell u can maintain it since he has a high int per level and u charge ur stat...

i suggest u get 2 stout right away nd tangos and tank d creeps f possible d key here is 2 kill all d creep waves f possible which is possible with lvl 3 shell... in game experiece f u didnt die and farm will with shell u can get treads 2vanguards radiance by level 11-14... by d way farm in d neutral zone in your free tym or f ur being harassed... backstab their ass with shell on vaccuum if they run... works best f ur with a stunner... shell eats enemy heroes specailly agi types...

i hope i dont get violent reactions

this hero is way tooo cool
i can get a radiance and treads in jusst level 12 with his ion shell
after radiance its just 5 second with the creeps and there gon3

try to combo ishkafel with rylai or crystal maiden
crystal maidens freezing field and then vacuum them into the death zone..and then TRIPLE KILL...

this hero is really a hero coz it can kill or can support greatly on his allies...my item build for this hero is refresher,travel,radiance...surge and ion shell + radiance can kill...no to mention vacuum...the use of refresher is for 2 wall of replicas(use vacuum to forcibly get them thru the WoR...at this point they a all traped....too many heroes) ...imagine a 5on5 match....lets do the math...5+5(first WoR)+5+5(second wall)20 illusions all in all+5 true heroes....25 heroes on your side of the field and 5 on their side...25:5 = QQ...

But having 2 walls might not be all that useful. usually the teams not just rush in 5v5 and duke it out. So true it has the potential of like having a full map of heroes, but to me Dark Seer is more of a support hero.

Everytime i see someone play dark seer they are always easy targets.
Then i got him in a arem game and totaly owned early and midgame, ion shell is great to cast on enemy or own creeps, even farming heroes.
Surge is always my second skill since it saves your life so many many many times.

Radiance is a must and treads. Surge is probably the best skill he has when it comes to teamplay IF you are nice enough to let other people have kills.
Wall of replica is nice early game when they are running away and late game push.

ok...if so many people have comments on item builds andways to play along w/ skill builds...WHY DONT YOU MAKE A GUIDE?!?! your almost gareenteed to get accepted...

vaccum wit sand king's epicenter.. wouldnt that be nice thats like centaur w/o blink dagger

or hell vaccum wit treant's over growth n then epicenter..sorrie if this is posting too much

can someone please make a guide for this guy?

hmm i didnt think this hero was such a big deal until i read all your posts..seems like a good hero..hes good against melees rite?

support hero :
1 boot of travel
2 shivas
3 eventually vanguard or guinsoo
4 assault cuirasse or radiance

I'm gonna see about making a guide about this guy. I've read a selection of the comments above this one and most of us would agree that this heroes skills are unique because that's all everyone says. You never give item builds. Nonetheless, i'll see what i can do. As for items, my suggestion:

Treads (Intel)
Radiance (Goes well with ion shell and vacuum for aoe dmg)
Guinsoo (Like a disable and a 3 second slow so you can catch up)
Mjollnir/Skadi (Either for farming and attack speed, or for the slow which is incredibly complementory
Shiva's Guard (Vacuum in then slow, also good intel and armor gain)
Battlefury (Farming and regen of hp and mana)

Expect something in a month or so. I'll have to find out how to send in a guide.

Okey, i tried this hero in an AR game and holy cr*ap was i surprised. One of the funniest heroes i've ever played.

I tried a multipurpose build on him, 2 bracers, Treads Strength, Linkens (lots of target nukers in that game) and later on radiance. Also had gem (vs riki and mines) but never died.

Final stats was about 8-0 (yeah i know blablabla uve gotten better who cares). Thanks to he's unbelivable escape skills. Vaccum to push them back a bit and surge to get the hell out.

Just love him!

vacuum + techies' mines = instant kill. not a hero killer, much better supporter.

how about "skill built"
i think surge must be min lvl 3 to use but which period of game surge is taken?
i think, Ish. cannot control without ion shell. but to full ion shell is meaningless without radiance.. wat have to be done?

It's not meaningless, it's just not as good. Early game u'll be casting on the creep wave for farming and urself for hero killing, late game u'll be only casting on urself and vacuuming the creeps to u. the wave is dead almost instantly, no matter how big it was.

Surge is best all game, but its good to build early game cuz for half of early game, no one has boots and it's almost a definite escape spell. It also doesn't cost nearly as much mana as vacuum.

I just changed my mind about one of the items. Switch guinsoo for orchid and u'll get better attack speed and about the same intel. only no hex, which should be ok.

i think DS should buy this item

1.PTreads
2.Radiance
3.Maestrom (upgrade to mjollnir)
4.ACuirass
5.Ice of skadi or Guinsoo
6.Soul booster

Why stop at soulbooster? you could make into bloodstone.

Uhh hello. Best combo of heroes ever!

Dark Seer and...Techies!!!

FB easy coz with techies tele to mid quickly , buy 3 clarity pots and a sobi mask and head to the middle where the river is. Head just to the right or left of the middle river so that no creeps can interfere and plant 3 mines, 4 b4 creep wave. Spam pots. So then when hero before level 3 in mid or 2....(Double Kill) Vacumm them in dealing damage with his spell and techies mines. First blood tell if this does not work trust me it will. (p.s, have a mate be one of the 2. it makes it easier..)

Happy Mining!

Many ppl in ur town uses this items for Darkseer(Dota 6.49b)

1. Power Threads(INT)
2. Orchid of Melovelence[for fast atk and dmg]
3. Radiance[good teamup with Ion]
4. Shiva's guard[for armor and dmg]
5. Heart of Tarasque or Stanic
6. Eye of Skadi/ Guinsoo

Have idea for better equips plz help me

I played with him today for the first time .My enemy was butcher...My build(not finished,coz i didnt manage to):1.Treads(At the beginning INT then AGI)
2.Guinsoo's(all the ++ plus surge spam)
3.Battle Fury(INT and Melee?A must have item!!)
4.Radience(along with ion shell=105 dps)
5.Helm Of Dominator(insane dmg means insane lifesteal)
game didnt last too long for satanic...

Also i upgraded the ulti at the last 3 levels.And guess what...i owned :P

make strategy

If you cast ion shell on an enemy, will it damage them over time? or their creeps? and can illusions from siren or manta create more illusions in the wall of replica?

If you cast ion shell on an enemy, will it damage them over time? or their creeps? and can illusions from siren or manta create more illusions in the wall of replica?

hey you kyle#...........................


i think if you cast ion shell from an enemy it will not loss hp but only for the nearby enemy... thats all...

i dont know if the illusions of naga and etc will be replicate by the wall of replica...

want get godlike fast.
buy dagon.
ion sheel.
surge.
vacuum
dagon.
OWNING!!

LOL ! HAHA LOL ! HAHA !LOL ! HAHA ! LOL

Could u use lothars and ww but before that put on ion. then just walk next to the guy giving them damage? cause that would be nice

1 Power threads
2 Vladimir
3 Battle Fury
4 Cuirassault
5 Eye of Skadi
6 Radiance
i wass good'like in a game 5v5 27-4!!

Think 5v5 with dark seer, raijin and magnatuar. Dark seer uses wall, raijin grapples all of them to one spot crossing the wall but near it, then when they try to run mag uses reverse. don't think anyone could survive that.

But then again es just takes advantage of the images to do more damage with aftershock.

Everyone That Posted Anything About Him Being An Attacker/Support Hero Is DUMB. Period End of Story.

Can Ya'll NOT SEE His Skills???
An AoE DoT Shield, An Instant Hero Puller, An Instant 6.5 Sec MAX MS, And A Horrible Ulti.

He Is A Complete Hero Killin' Tank.
If Anyone Gets Something Like Eye or BoT or Satanic, etc Are Dumb.

Get 2 Bracers and RoB Early Game.
PT Soon After.
Make A HoT ASAP.(Which Is Fast If You Are Casting Ion Shell On Creeps. Pop It On The Second Creep To Hit Line. You Get All/Most Of Kills.)
If Team Needs It Get SheepStick.(This Ends Up Giving You Right Next To Infinite Mana)
Now Is When I Don't KNow What TO Make Exactly. Last Night I Was In A 3v5(Me On 3) And Lost To 5 Melee Heros. I Thought About Making Him More Of A Tank By Getting Him One Or Two BladeMails. Cant Confirm On The Greatness Of This.
Get Vlads/HoT Once You Can't Think of Something Else. Maybe Radiance.

I Can Go Around 13-0, 12-1. Something Like That 30,35Mins In.

im not supprised no strategy's have been done yet
quite a hard charactor to use
but his speed and sheild make him a very good hero!
god at farming and incredible at hero killing!

i like using him, too bad theres no strat for him :(

hu needs strat on this hero?

this hero is all about TIMING!!

such a pain early in the game..

especially to melee type heroes...

strategies are for newbies...

a great team with barathrum

lol i never saw anyone got a killing spree with this hero.I like him but i dont think he is a good killer.
Maybe i will change my mind if there wukk be some strategies :]]
btw his ulti sucks for being an ulti.

First of all almost Anybody is Great team with bara cause he's imba against all but like 2 hero's.

At my own Experience nobody uses him online as a weak hero, But his ion shield is easy to get last hits early game.

Build should always include a EYE OF SCADI!!!

Try P.T, HoT, Valads, Scadi, radiance, Bf. This is just an opinion exept the SKADI It is The perfect item with dark seer, Just like snipes!

What do u usually get vaccum first or surge

worst
hero
in
the
game
hands
down

i love -ar when someone gets him and goes, "aw fuck, swap? anyone swap? anyone want?"

working on strategy right now. this hero is great. ulti is basically useless early late game when heroes are buff the images do help. hell of a farmer. killer too. great at pretty much anything.

@dither
you need to go kill yourself.
ive NEVER been in a game with someone said "aww shyt swap?"
he can pwn almost ANY hero if dplay logicaly.(except Omni... Repel >>>> Ion Shell)

@coconutwarrior
I get Ion, Vacc, Ion, Vac, Ion, Vac, Ion, Vac, Surge, Surge, Surge, Surge, Ulti, Ulti, All Points.

MIght needa get surge earlier depending on heros

I wonder why there is no guide for such a great hero?!

With radiance + ion shell,u dont even have to hit to gain gold, in late game, u just have to go near a bunch of creep and walk around, The gold are all yours

Surge can be used a escaping skill while his ulti is amazing. Many times when my team cant defend the onslaught of the group of 5 in middle lane, I will just cast the ulti, vacuum. There u go, play with own shadow, while all my allies getting ready in middle lane. Once they step in with lower hp, gg.

I agree the set build. 'sheepstick' is for mana, while radiance,bf do group attack.. A fantastic hero, should use him more like a str hero *lol*

Try my build this is Godly
(proven and tested):

PT(STR or int) or Bot
Battlefury
Assault Cuirass
Shivas Guard
Linkens Sphere
(optional slot it depends on you)

wats the skill build?

by the way.. noob question sorry: wat's sheepstick? lol

the use for vacuum
(1) farming
(2) killing hero
(3) disabling.
eg: crixalis doing ulti, vacuum and the ulti is gone
=)

the use of ion shell.
(1) easy farming, if combine with vacuum
(2) harass opponent.(this what makes ur opponents hates u0
and only put ion shel on ally creep and ur self.

a good use of ion shell.
team with an invi heroes.
such as.
(a) rikimaru
(b) gondar
(c) clinkz
and many more
cast ion shell on them
and ask them to invi.
most opponent will not notice that they are attack.

btw.. wats sheepstick?

btw.. wats sheepstick?

btw.. wats sheepstick?

sorry for the multi posts.. sumtin wrong wid da comp

oh and wudn't deso be a good item for dark seer?? Deso + radiance + Ion shell = dominating!! and if not ded yet, finish wid surge then vacuum

the sheepstick a.k.a orange wand a.k.a is guisoo's schyth of vyse...

for all the noobs that underestimate him he is actually good. his farming capabilities gives him the head start to dominate. with radience his every presences is so painful combine with surge is veyr hard to kill only thing u can do is stun.

Surge -> max speed, imba
Vacuum = black hole, very imba
Level 4 Ion Shell = 2xRadiance = $10650!!!
extremely imba.
High initial dmg and armor, even more imba! If he is a ranged hero, perfect!

this guy is cool XD

guyz,,
try this

at first,,
if it is 4 on4,,

first equip him ring health for hp regen and sobi mask for mana regen.. then later continue to Vlads..

first skill to put is ion shell,
then Vaccum..

Early game,
i suggest that u place him in the middle , he is good in harassing the enemy.. either range or melee. put the ion shell on the creep that does been attack by ur creep.. then stay near,,

then boots, upgrade to powerthreads, radiance.. (headache to your opponent)

GODBLESS u all..

ammmh... what i mean ,,, does not been attack!!

take caRE!!

that hero...

is a headache to your opponent

The new eul's scepter was made for this hero, more movement speed and it allows him to spam his skills. I play his as a supporter with mek and arcane because of his mana pool. Because it won't stack, let the team tank get radiance instead. Boots of travel not treads IMO because you are not attacking.

"oh and wudn't deso be a good item for dark seer?? Deso + radiance + Ion shell = dominating!! and if not ded yet, finish wid surge then vacuum"

desolator doesn't reduce magic armor. so... yeh.

his ulti is annoying pusher and defender!!!!!

my build are:
» ARCANE RING!!! (hey, you want to cast Vacuum and Ion Shell often right?)
» treads / BoT (run baby, run!!!!)
» lifesteals (vladimir's or satanic, MoMadness not is recommended)
» sugar,spice,and everything nice!

his killing combo:
» Ion Shell!
» Hit
» hey, you wanna run? Vacuum!!
» dmn!! don't go! Surge!!! (hehe, maybe if anything goes wrong, cast for escaping )
ow..his ulti eh? use it to push or defend

i was just wondering this guy has been out for ages and no one has bothered to make a strategy for him on this site

yeah, no strategies available..
anyway, this hero is a great supporter..i don't see him play as a tank because he's a int type hero and has a low armor. if your lane foe is a ranged hero, you can't do anything but last hit and deny, don't expect that you can push your first tower because you can never will..but latter on mid-late game..this hero becomes more usefull..because of his wall of replica play this hero as a support type. that's how i play this hero and we always win..

He can be some melee heroes bestfriends after all, since his ion shell can help them kill an enemy hero 1 on 1 with the help on ion shell! pretty awesome!

can somebody tell wat is a sheepstick?


i use dis hero once but i cant make it strong enough...




wen i reach lvl 11 my items are only vanguard power treads...


i cant form a strong build 4 dis hero can all of u teach how 2 use it do i nid 2 put the ulti? wat items i nid 2 be unstapable? radiance is hard 2 build

@cygnux11

Sheepstick is just a nickname given to Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse as it is able to turn heroes into sheeps.

best combo with dark seer,
techies..
vaccuum into mines o.O??

this is a GREAT but expensive build
pt
radience
shivas
skadi or if u prefer sny
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Cool
and assualt currias or bloodstone
if u get these it is gg

SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A STRAT FOR THIS HERO!!!

Yeah thinking about making a strat for him. Never made one before though. I use dark seer all the time cause he's just so fun and unexpectedly great at tanking / then killing.

It's funnt killing someone like pudge or night stalker when they try gank you. Ion pwns, vacuum them back when they realise they are losing adn try run rofl

IN A 5v5 GAME I WILL LEAVE MY ALLY TO SOLO THE LANE AND GO NEUTRAL CREEP WITH LEVEL 2 ION SHELL. YOU WILL SURPASS EVERY OTHER HEROES LEVEL IN YOU BROUGHT HP FLASKS TO KEEP FARMING.

this hero is good wid techies coz i've tried it on a 2vs2 match try to vacuum your enemy/ies in a spot where there's a lot of remote bombs and have you teamate be ready to blow up the bombs once the enemy/ies are in place hehehe...

they should change this hero to an Agi hero .. with his vacuum and speed , add butterfly + agi stuffs , = gg .. no one can out run him .. really hard to kill on one on one battles .. but again , dota's a team play game ..

this hero has a lot of combos with techies

Items for Dark Seer
Guinzo, Radiance, HearT, Travel, Quirass, better to get the aegis at lvl 11

this items make a BEYOND and OVER GODLIKE

finally got a quite good strat for this guy
go there and bobard it with your argues

hey guys im new here and i was wondering wats sheepstick and wat shop is it bought?

all of u are weakk in me

sheepstick- an item that can turn heroes into sheep -Hex. forgot d full name..

Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse

radiance,bottle,BOS,hyper stone :) DEDZ

Ok this aint the must killer hero in dota but it such anoyng... such pain in the ass if u know what u doing u gonna make at least god like

This guy rocks! Get two radiance on him and boots of travel and anything that boost up his mana and mana regen. Cast shell, suck, run around but still near the hero, suck, surge = g.g, if ur facing a tanker just buy guinsoo, orchid and dagon(optional). Cast shell, guinsoo, orchid, suck, dagon! If it still alive cast surge and shell, chase him like shit.

Wish he was melee, but lame 125 range

I did a nice combo with this hero. All 10 heroes were there, so Wall of Replica and Vacuum, + all my allies throught the wall = 9 illusions. I got 5 kills. :)

i luv his ulti, its like a multiple replica

Vladimirs
Radiance
tos ang laban haha

just cast ion shell on an enemy.. he takes damage... imagine a 30 dps spell cast on you at level 1..

get manta style then cast wall of replica then make a waypoint that makes you walk back and forth.. lots of images with mana burn made!!!

My personal build :

1. Travel
2. Shiva
3. Radiance
4. Guinsso
5. Skadi
6. Dagon 5

Try it...

Sheepstick = guinsoos

Just thought of a great build...
1-radiance
2-BoT
3-Shiva's
4-Manta
5-HoT
6-(will you get enought time to farm 6?)

omw i played a game against a dark seer last nigh he had powertread 3xbattle furys and an assault curios and a heart
he would vaccume towards him and with one hit pwn the creep wave and do hectics amount of dmg he farmed well from the begging of the game and was 19-2 at end game wat weird build that worked well