When the Wheel of Time turneth, on Day of Water pointeth, the Prince on DS clicketh, and new idea appeareth.

Also, this week no new item idea; none of the pending item ideas are good enough. We need more good ideas!!!!

looks nice :D

sry for the double post but i have a question: can u Persuade an allied creep?

you can persuade heroes?
too strong and can you use the persuaded hero's skills? better get the hero persuade thing then make creep longer(like chen)

I find this cheap as hell.... i for about everything, but ya persuade is cheap, and if clones could do it it would just but down right OP, also, Persuade allied creeps? why would you be attacking him?

kinda bit confused with the persuade thingy.. does it occur on attack? and if an enemy hero persuaded, then lithias can control the enemy hero for 2 sec?

and about lure.. does the duration is random? at lvl 3 its 3-13 sec, so it means he can stay in the target location for 3-13 sec?

but, good job on the originality.. love it dude..

sorry.. i mean at lvl 4 lure.. mistyping.. and sorry for the double post, i cant find the edit button here.

Caspian.. you really dont like any of my item ideas.. ugghhh

@caspian
I just dont see how some of my item ideas could possibly the worse than the "Poison Dragon Egg" idea a while back...

Where can i get icon for new item or skill?

Hey guys,
thanks for all nice comments.
no bad ones acually.
I AM AMAZED!

Thank you caspian for approving this!

I like the Ult and Borrow. Lure could be useful for baiting in rare situations. Persuade is wildly overpowered. The ability to take control (albeit worthless control) of a enemy hero in a 20% chance on hit? Perma-suade? Even without extra-items - Not cool.

Sorry bout Persuade, i should change it to something else, SO COMPLICATED (Barely i understand it )

@tsmatan
no you cant

@edward
plz read, no you cant...
i dont understand the rest of your comment

@Hamsamwich
I dont know, but i dont think it would be so OP.

@ted
1. yes
2. he can cancel Lure after 3sec and can stay there tops 13seconds.
3. thankyou and i find it strange that there is no edit button here too

@Kongming
it says when you make guide.

Is this good?

Pursuade
Control an enemy/neutral unit or hero for an amount of time.
Movement speed is reduced to 100.
Unit / hero takes 300 % damage.
Deals 30% damage.
(Cannot use items or skills with heroes, but available for units)
lvl 1: 3seconds (Creeps) 2seconds (Heroes)
2: 6sec (C), 3sec (H)
3: 9sec (C), 4sec (H)
4: 12sec (C), 5sec (H)
Manacost: 150/130/110/90mana
Cooldown: 50/45/40/35seconds

If it is good then plz tell me.
but i dont want to change cuz i dont wanna w8 in line again...

I would take ur 1st skill as an ultimate...heavily imbalanced since you can "remove" a hero from the game (also you might add that you cannot persuade ancients or rosh ;)) I like the lure very much and your ulti is also quite cool

Persuade, as an active skill is better, both for balance AND you as the player. With it being an orb, just think about if you're really trying to kill somebody and then they keep getting persuaded every few seconds and you can't attack them for that time coz they belong to you. A little annoying.

But yeah, even with it being an active skill, it would fit better as an ultimate.

The rest is good - very unique idea.

well i like the idea, but the spells seem a bit toooo imba, but i might just be misunderstanding them. could you clear up how Persuade functions?

like it heavy caster with no obvious massive damage but lots of potential.

@caspian - assassins dance and immortals blessing ^_^
not pushing it or anything but meh

I think overall he is definately support, but has some certain potential to be a solo killer against the right opponents, I like him though.

And no good item ideas? What the eff?

bkb should be in the build. so when you use your ulti you dont loose health but ur enemy still looses the regen.

I believe the CD for the ulti should be reduced to about 120/105/90/60 since the ulti is more like a nuke and buff. Lithias doesn't have any nuke skills so t would help if the CD for the ulti was reduced
Great idea for the skills, although it would take ALOT of practice

@ dupnitzabg

i second that, that was the worst item ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







this hero is pretty good, most things hhave been covered

Control hero again... 2 seconds? Sigh.

Ultimate is something like a cross between Lifebreak and Reaper's Scythe with a delay... hmm...

yeah.. agree with talktofrank.. if u wanna make persuade like that, then make it ulti.. then remake the first skill, make another unique orb.. like 10% change to deal 5% of enemy current hp into damage and stops enemy's regen for 2 sec..

Maybe Radiance and HoT could be good for him

Great! 9/10

Ok guys, I have read through all your comments and my conclusion is to change Persuade into what i said above.
But if you guys want me to make it Ultimate then what shall i do with "Deaths Tick"?

Also i have thought about increasing range in lure even more. so you have something like 600 in lvl 4.

I will also add some item suggestions such as EoS, Radiance.

Also, could someone answer what happens if you edit hero idea. Cuz ive seen hero ideas that never come back

Don't understand most of the skills >_

persuade seems rather useless
most of the time you don't even have time to select the unit you persuaded.
unless you can attack a persuaded unit?
then it would be sweet.

I like all your skills except for the first one, Persuade... I don't think you should be able to persuade heroes at all. Sure, you can stun, hex and silence heroes, but control them? Maybe make them not able to attack you instead?
for example:
lvl 1 : hero cannot attack you for 3 sec and he takes 150% dmg
lvl 2 : hero cannot attack you for 5 sec and he takes 175% dmg
etc. I think you get the point... just an idea though

bad

first skill is imba!
lolz!

imagine casting it to enemy magnataur.
then u use polarity! kaboom!
their foods!
^_^
or use it on techies. then detonate all bomb then suicide. insta kill?
>.

@ Pig.
READ THE SKILL DESCRIPTION!

@Stelios
wtf?

Wow. This is a really complicated hero........How bout you make all those skills to lvl 7 and no stats...like invoker or smth...his ulti,,,,i dont understand...You're very creative though...good job

aaah... no wonder caspian is always the one who puts the first comments with his midevil accent....

for his ultimate, both you and your targeted enemy lose the same % of life or he loses how much you lose?

I'll tell you a little story....Once,,,in an -ap game, it was 2 vs 2, rhasta and lithias vs mortred and mercurial.. Both sides were equal,,, lithias has a refresher orb..both side's towers are all destroyed except for some useless buildings..Scourge was pusing to the world tree, lithias persuaded mortred and controled her to the fountain, and after the spell finished, rhasta shackled her..then, refresher, then presuade then shackle,,all heroes were at lvl25. So..100 seconds to kill frozen throne

its kinda hard to do that, cuz 100ms isnt alot :P

well at your skill synergy there's diffusal

but at itemlist there's no

anyway i think manta isn't good for him

what orb, maim or cold?

butterfly could be good

and i think borrow should be maxed out early!

death tick -> persuade -> borrow = you kill, you survive


that's just my opinion

oops, forgot about that.
need to change it i guess.
and because of him beeing range (150)
EoS doesnt count as an orb effect.

ohh...
didnt notice the edit.
>.<
but still imba.
if controlled it takes 300% damage?
wtf!
so you mean his ally(enemy) can kill him?
wow!
haha!
how bout you cast it near to his well?
wat happens?O.o

hmm, never thought about that.
I think ill have to change to range of spell to his attack range.

Should i do it so when the hero is turned back to normal his health is turned back also?

no, if you make their health go back to normal, then the spell is useless... Did you see my suggestion for the spell? (comment 30)

but its his signature skill.
like treants ulti
or syllabears bear
or phantomlancers illusions.

id rather not remake it

very very very very very very very very interesting...

what? so he's ranged?

wtf! but why s&y again?

double slow? useless!

btw i sent you pm!

1st skill is totally imba.

i don't think so

a signature skill means nothing if it's imbalanced or doesn't make sense... I don't think you should be able to control a hero, 1 second in the game of Dota can make the difference between life and death. Give 2 seconds to your opponent to do whatever they want to you, and you're dead, that's not fair.

As much as it is an original idea, it just doesn't fit in with DotA. You'll have to either change it a bit or completely, sorry

@cowlickman
well, the enemy cant attack him.
he can only walk 500m during that time (about average attack range).
So no i dont think its that imba.
For example,
Rhastas: Hero Shakle. in lvl 4 you can hold a hero for 4.75seconds, during that time you CAN attack him.
Also hex:
make hero a critter for 4seconds.
their armor turns to 0 and they are slowed, also you CAN attack them.
and last but not least:
Mass Serpent Ward:
Summon a buncha wards around a hero while they attack him for 30sec?!?

so, if that isnt imba, then this isnt either.

ok...not bad but 1st skill is too imba

So basically, the hero that is persuaded is just "turned off" so none of your allies can attack him, and he can't run away? What does it mean to take 200% more damage then? Are his former allies now able to hurt him?
So really, any targeted spells would not be used on that hero, because his team would have to target him with a nuke, and they wouldn't do that... But he would still be affected by AoE spells cast by his allies? He's technically on your team for 5 econds?

And if that is the case, will he be affected by your team's spells? Like Dazzle or Omni's ults? Or even auras that would benefit him? Would he also be able to see your base, and all your allies on the map? Or would it be like Astral Imprionment and you can't see anything while you're being persuaded?

Sorry if I'm totally not getting the spell and I'm asking a bunch of stupid questions!!

I like the basic idea but the first skill needs a little nerf. How about just for heroes you cant control them they go under the effect of an allied AI creep. the hero would act just like a creep for the 5 seconds. I think then the skill be be balanced out. Keep in mind you can still control creeps that you use the skill on but no heroes

i like this hero...especially when ur near to lose...persuade enemy hero then controll him to fountain lmao dead!!!

i think the persuade on heroes is to imba, i mean, jumo to your own fountain, just wait to persuade off, stun and... tada!.
also, the ulti shouts HUSKAR LIFE BREAK FIRST, i mean, life break, 40%off, then deaths tick, 45%off (its says max hp) and enemy gets a lnice 5hp% + no hp regen, u should make it 45% of current hp ;)

No, Persuade isn't imba.

heroes can only move 500 distance (100*5), he'll never reach your fountain.

Unless if Dark Seer casts Surge on the heroes, then it's imba. :)

. . .

@ above

what did you mean? ...........

@2 above
he probably just means, f**k commenting, i just wanna rate this hero idea.

ow...

Persuade is way too imba, its like a 5 sec stun AND takes 200% damage

this heroes is cooooooooooooooooolllllllllllll

PERSUADE....... imba? control enemy hero? THAT WILL BE TOOOOOOOOOOOO IMBA!!!!!!!
and borrow.... i think its too imba too..... 45% is too much, ur ally will be pissed, and YOU will have no teamwork forever!!! (exaggerating)
anyway..... 6/10

caspian.....
no item idea?
you did not like my idea?
T.T
but wonder why you approved the item idea "poison dragon egg"

lol u r a total idiot go think again retard

The first skill is too overpowered. Definitely needs a nerf.

nice, im impressed :)

ppl who thinks this is nice r just retarded noobs so fuck off all of u

I don't like it. His spells has no relation with eachother, theres no spell combonation, no nuke spells, and a horrible ultimate. Needs a better ultimate.

Hm.. for all who think persuade is imba, read comment #58 please.

and yes, maybe % borrow can be decreased :)

that should be the conclusion

but the author doesn't login for a long time :(

hehe yeah, sorry guys.
i havent had that whole lot of time the last days due to the new DS NORTHEND clan and massive amounts of homework and tests.

i will fix Persuade to reset heroes health when duration is over.

also i will also change one skill i dont know:
option1: Disgust
Lithias has a 5% chance to enters a new image which prevents enemies from attacking him unless attacked by him for 1/1.3/1.6/2 seconds
Cooldown 10/9/8/7 seconds.

ill post other options l8er... gtg

The previous comment would replace Persuade.

Option 2:
Focus
When activated: Lithias next attacks save 5/10/15/20% of their damage to deal in a single heavy damage attack.
1: 4 attacks, nuke attack deals 125% of the damage saved
2: 5 attacks, nuke attack deals 150% of the damage saved
3: 6 attacks, nuke attack deals 175% of the damage saved
4: 7 attacks, nuke attack deals 200% of damage saved.
Mana: average mana cost, about 75-100
Cooldown: 15seconds
too be continued...

ulti is not bad
but i think it should have manacost :)

focus could be good.. but do not understand the other one hehe

Hmm, yea you should replace Persuade with Focus. That seems like a pretty good spell. I don't understand Disgust either though

nice done with the char!

btw what's opt #3?

btw what's opt #3?

nice ^^

mmm that hero seems good but i dont understand the regen ulti,

lets say its the beggining of a game and you put this on the enemy and he runs, a hero has about 1 hp sec without items. Please answer!

looks like a solid, if not unbalanced (what new hero is), hero. tho the ulti isnt posted

i really hate this hero

Like the ulti idea alot.Will work nicely for long games.Disgust might be too powerful. Very nice

Taking control of other heroes is way to intense!
Makes him pretty unstoppable.

quote:
When Loki was killed by the gods, Lithias was prisoned in a cage where he would sit until Ragnarök would come.
quote

If I can remember norse mythology correctly, Loki was killed (by Heimdall) at the very end of Ragnarok ;)

Loki didnt die...

Pretty sure he did :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki#Binding_and_Ragnar.C3.B6k