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Hagel Tiefrot - The Siderius Magician

Created by GalrsRevenge on 2008-07-02
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At the beginning of the Burning Legion invasion, nine elves were selected by the Sentinel. These chosen ones were sent into ancient anthenaeums, where they study the lost Arts. The despairing hopes, that some day these warriors would emerge from their solidatory academies and purge the world of evil, soon diminished and the younger Sentinels no longer know of the Nine Messiah. However, the Chosen Ones had not fail the Sentinels. Hundreds of years later, out of nowhere, they reappeared in order to fullfill their destinies. Hagel Tiefrot is one of the Three Ascending Ones who were sent to the Sidereus Anthenaeum in order to study the Heavenly Arts. Hagel meditate for all of his solitary confinement within the anthenaeum inside an ice chamber and after hundreds of years, he, himself, became the essence of the winter rime. He is able harm one physically, by creating a lance of ice that pierces through the leg of its target, or mentally, by locking the mind of his victim with ice particles. The Scourge dread the first sniff of the artic breeze.

Frost Spear (R)
Hagel forms a spear of ice to pierce through the leg of an enemy, dealing damage and slowing it over time. The affected unit will lose its movement speed by 30% per second for two seconds, and regain it for 20% per second over the next three seconds.
Level 1 - Deals 100 damage
Level 2 - Deals 150 damage
Level 3 - Deals 200 damage
Level 4 - Deals 250 damage
Enable Dissipate. Can be use on self or allied unit.
Mana Cost: 75/95/115/135
Cooldown: 35/30/25/20

Framework: The spear of ice would look something like the icon (it's long and thin though, maybe 100 distance, the icon only shows the head). Then one of the target's leg would be iced or even better, have an ice spear through it.

Notes: For information on Dissipate, go down into the Discussion Section.

Mind Lock (C)
Freeze the mind of a target with ice particle. If he dare break the seal and use magic, the lock would shatter, causing him great pain physically and mentally. Lasts 14 seconds or until the affected target uses magic.
Level 1 - Deals 75 damage, along with a 0.75 second stun and silences for 2 second.
Level 2 - Deals 125 damage, along with a 1 second stun and silences for 2.5 second.
Level 3 - Deals 175 damage, along with a 1.25 second stun and silences for 3 second.
Level 4 - Deals 225 damage, along with a 1.5 second stun and silences for 3.5 second.
Mana Cost: 30/70/110/150
Cooldown: 60/50/40/30

Framework: There would be a picture on the target's head, I am not sure what it should be yet. An icy skull? A blue lock?

Forms (N/A)
Hagel imbues his weapons with the Arts, allowing them to have special powers. Pursue for Wand and Shield and Unleash for Staff.
Level 1 - (Wand and Shield) 2% to release a three attack that pursue their target (Staff) 3% to unleash a powerful attack that cause an explosion upon impact
Level 2 - (Wand and Shield) 4% to release a three attack that pursue their target (Staff) 6% to unleash a powerful attack that cause an explosion upon impact
Level 3 - (Wand and Shield) 6% to release a three attack that pursue their target (Staff) 9% to unleash a powerful attack that cause an explosion upon impact
Level 4 - (Wand and Shield) 8% to release a three attack that pursue their target (Staff) 12% to unleash a powerful attack that cause an explosion upon impact
Mana Cost: N/A
Cooldown: N/A

Framework: A normal attack of Wand and Shield would be an icy ball that go to the right a little before it turn and head diagonally toward the target. Upon Pursue, the first ball would be like the normal attack, the second ball would come out to the left, and the third ball would be the right again. They don't come out at the same time, but consecutively. They would head toward the target, hit it, and go in a 300 diamater circle before hitting the target again. It will do that again after the second hit. The ball do 5% damage. If any unit is 50 distance or closer to the ball when it's doing its path, it will move toward that unit, hit it, and do its path upon that unit(last 3 hits, counting the first one on the main target). The circle path that the ball goes on is not predetermined, it would be any where 300 distance from the target, so there are 360 circle path in total (360 degrees). Normal attack for the Staff is a larger icy ball that goes straight. Unleash would be an even larger ball that deals 150% damage. Upon impact with the target, it would explode and nearby unit in a 200 AOE will takes 50% damage.

Mark of Comet (R)
Hagel summons the power of Comet and causes frosted boulders to rain upon the enemies in a 500 AOE. Each comet deals 125 magical damage and do a mini stun of 0.1 second. 0.5 second casting time. Passively increase the effectiveness of Frost Spear, Mind Lock, and Forms and boost manapoints.
Level 1 - 6 comets. Passively increase maximum manapoints by 150.
Level 2 - 8 comets. Passively increase maximum manapoints by 250.
Level 3 - 10 comets. Passively increase maximum manapoints by 350.
Level 4 - (Aghanim's Scepter) 12 comets. Passively increase maximum manapoints by 450.

Comets can hit a unit more than once. A hero cannot be hit more than 6 successful times. Attack units with magic immunity and will stuns them but deals no damage.
Mana Cost: 200/300/400/500
Cooldown: 140/120/100/80

Framework: Much like PotM's starlight thingies, but they are frosty like Lich's ultimate. The spell is instant after the 0.5 second casting time. The ultimate can attack a unit more than 6 times if one of them are not successful due to something like Void's Backtrack.

Notes: Each Level increase Frost Spear damage by 25, Mind Lock damage by 15, Pursue by 2% and Unleash by 2%

Discussion:

Weapons [Appear where Stat Icon should be for Switching]:

Wand and Shield: +1 Armor, each level increase bonus by .1 (Maximum = +3.4 Armor), +3% magic damage reduction, each level increase bonus by .5% (Maximum = 15%)

Role: Defensive support mage

Staff: +25% of total damage, +10% maximum manapoints

Role: Aggressive support mage

Skill Explanation:

Dissipate[In game Description]: Shatter the Frost Spear into tiny ice particle and dissipate them throughout the body of its host, freezing him completely with a frost barrier. The first attack upon the frozen target will be negated and the barrier will shatter, knocking back nearby units. Affect allied units. Allied heroes can break the barrier, too. The targeted unit is frozen for 20 seconds.

Hotkey: D

Levels [Base on Frost Spear]:

Level 1 - 100 AOE, 100 Knockback distance, 50 damage
Level 2 - 200 AOE, 200 Knockback distance, 100 damage
Level 3 - 300 AOE, 300 Knockback distance, 150 damage
Level 4 - 300 AOE, 300 Knockback distance, 250 damage

Mana Cost: 50/100/150/200

Framework: during the 5 seconds a unit is under the effect of Frost Spear, the player could choose to use Dissipate and freeze the target. The next attack upon the frozen target would shatter the frost barrier and the dictated effects would happen. The ice would shatter into a bunch of pieces, flying in all direction. The effects would happen to allied units too.

Skill Builds:

Frost Spear
Mind Lock
Frost Spear
Mind Lock
Frost Spear
Mark of Comet
Forms
Frost Spear
Forms
Mind Lock
Mark of Comet
Forms
Mind Lock
Forms
Stats
Mark of Comet
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats

Skill Synergies and Uses:

Mind Lock

Mind Lock (Silence):

You would be thinking that Mind Lock should be used upon heroes that spam a lot of spells? You are wrong. You see, in early game situation, if you spam Mind Lock on a unit that has the power to spam spells. All they've to do is wait for Mind Lock to be over and then use their magic to their heart desire and you'd be wasting your mana. However, this is no reason to not use Mind Lock on a unit. If you think he is going to use a spell, don't hesitate to Mind Lock and see if the player is willing to take the damage.

Mind Lock is useful on hero with auto-cast spell. Would they risk harassing you with their skill and take more damage? I don't think so. The best way to use Mind Lock is to watch your enemy closely, if he is about to harass you or your ally, stay there and use Mind Lock. If the player is not fast enough to repeal his attack, he would take the extra damage.

Hero that heals will cry under the might of Mind Lock. Most of the time, they would use their heal when they are almost dead. If you think they are going to use heal, immediately cast Mind Lock. Now, they can't heal themselves, or risking taking damage, which would kill them or leave them lethal to death. A good example is Huskar. He would be thinking that his overpowered heal would save him no matter what, he should think again with you on his lane!

Frost Spear Photobucket Mind Lock

Frost Spear + Dissipate (Killing):

Approach your enemy as close as possible, start attacking. When he is running away, use Frost Spear, and attack some more. Then use Dissipate and he would be frozen. Position yourself at a place where you won't take the AOE effect, and begin attacking again. Remember, your enemy could always choose to run to the sides (if there are paths to escape), so remember to position yourself carefully. Also, beware of your creeps, they might mess things up! This should be done with an ally, as Hagel is not a potential killer. He's rather a support hero with killing spells, haha.

Frost Spear + Dissipate (Ganking):

Frost Spear and Dissipate immediately the hero you want to gank. Then let your allies position themselves carefully around the enemy hero and break the barrier and start attacking. Beware of your creeps as they could mess thing up by breaking the barrier too early. Even in the forest, you should be careful of the neutrals that could also break the barrier.

Frost Spear + Dissipate (Annoying Roshan Interruption):

If your team think they can take the enemy on while they are Roshaning, you could run in, Frost Spear, Dissipate, and break the barrier quickly to disrupt the enemies. It would be even better if you use Frost Spear on the hero that Roshan is attacking, so that Roshan would break the barrier for you! Then, your team rushes in and destroys the enemy! Though, they should have on hero on watch, so this is not really good. But if they are arrogant, then they shall be punish in the name of Oros!

If it's a one-on-one like Ursa, then it would hurts him more. Don't break the barrier too hastily as there are no other heroes to take the effects. Let your allies position themselves and then pounce on the hero. Though, they might've stealth, so that's annoying. However, this combo should work: Frost Spear + Dissipate + Attack + Stun + Attacks + Mind Lock. If your team stun long enough and if your team deals enough damage, stealth won't be a problem as the hero would die due to Mind Lock. Of course, I am not keeping the other enemies in mind, but you should know what to do with your Dota instinct!

Mind Lock + Frost Spear + Dissipate (Killing):

Some heroes have a way to escape you, and most of the time, it's Blink or Stun. The easy way to prevent this is with Mind Lock. They would either not use their spells or risk damaging themselves. This is should be done with an ally also, because if they had full or nearly full health and they use their spells, it's not gonna affect them much as they could now escape. However, with an ally that can slow or stun, they would consider taking the extra damage, because they've a choice of waiting for their allies to come to the rescue if they think they are going to last.

Frost Spear + Dissipate + Mind Lock (Saving):

Frost Spear could be used upon self or an ally, which mean you could save yourself or an ally with the Frost Spear, if there are enough healthpoints left to stand the Frost Spear damage and then use Dissipate. Though, if the pursuer is a ranged unit, it would be better to use it on the enemy.

If there are a spellcaster in the pursuing group, or if the pursuer is a spellcaster himself, use Mind Lock! He might risk it just to get that kill only to be killed! (Because he probably would've low healthpoints like Magina, the damage would lower it considerably and then you could come in and destroy him with Frost Spear+Dissipate combo or even with Mark of Comet).

Frost Spear (Slow):

Even without Dissipate, Frost Spear is still a good disable and safer too as Dissipate could be dangerous to your team. This would work in a team gank where Dissipate freeze is not needed.

Frost Spear Photobucket Mark of Comet Mind Lock

Frost Spear +Dissipate + Mark of Comet + Mind Lock (Team Clash):

It might not work out as expected, but do as much as you can. The point of this synergy is to cause fear and confusion among the enemy's rank. Frost Spear a target and Dissipate immediately. Either you or your allies break the barrier after that, making nearby enemies take the effects. Some one like Pudge or Priestess of the Moon would work. Meat Hook and Elune's Arrow have a long range, but they only work on a clear path though, so a ranged attack would work better, but the range is lower so be careful.

After the Dissipate effects have taken place, cast your Mark of Comet and follow by Mind Lock on the team's spellcaster or someone that uses his skills in a synergy like Pudge. Then your team should pour on the enemies, and eliminate them as they madly run about due to their break of formation!

Frost Spear + Dissipate + Mark of Comet + Mind Lock (Alone?):

This might work better if you have a dagon at your side or a Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse. What you do is, go in, Frost Spear > Attacks > Dissipate > Mark of Comet > Mind Lock > Attacks. Now, the first comet should break the seal, and the next 6 comets would deal the damage. Then, return to attacking. After the 6 comets did their job, if you have a Guinsoo, hex him which gives you 3 more seconds to attack or do the following. If you've Dagon, your enemy won't be able to escape with Stealth or Blink. Low Health + Dagon = Dead or Almost Dead. Almost Dead + Mind Lock + Stealth or Blink = Dead. So yep, dead it is.

Items Build:

Battle Mage:

Boots of Travel: you need the speed and you need the ability to go anywhere you want
Dagon (1-5): a much needed finishing move as you don't have one!
Aghanim's Scepter: boost the effectiveness of your ultimate
Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse: a useful disable by your side
Shiva's Guard: extra armor bonus (+15!) and a slow!
Eye of Skady: ah, when you get this, I doubt your enemy's ability to escape you now, Mark of Comet + Eye of Skadi + Guinsoo's + Shiva's Guard? So much slow that would make them stay in Mark of Comet AOE!

Support Mage:

Mekasm: the heal
Boots of Travel: the movement speed and teleportation
Eul's Scepter of Divinity: the Cyclone and movement speed
Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse: the Hex
Shiva's Guard: the Artic Blast
Eye of Skadi: the slow

Other Items to Consider:

Linken`s Sphere Bloodstone Orchid Malevolence

Linken's Sphere: if against a lot of spellcasters, this would be useful
Bloodstone: it boosts your overall survivability and is better to get than Heart of Tarrasque as its bonus is more useful to a Mage (Intelligence hero)
Orchid Malevolence: the Soul Burn is useful, but this item is not cheap though, buy this only against a team of spellcasters as 3 seconds Hex is better than 5 seconds Soul Burn.

MVA Heroes (a.k.a. Most Valuable Ally):

Nortrom - The Silencer

Nortrom the Silencer:

To cast a spell or not to cast a spell? Lol. Curse of the Silent and Mind Lock would be an annoying combo to your enemy. If they don't cast a spell, their mana and health points would be diminished slowly. If they cast a spell, they would take damage. Nortrom is definitely an MVA hero to The Oros Mage!

Pugna - The Oblivion

Pugna the Oblivion:

Yes, the most evil companion you could've! Though, you would defy the King of Westria for teaming with the Undead, but winning is more important isn't it? A Decrepify unit inside Mark of Comet is certain doom.

Shendelzare Silkwood - The Vengeful Spirit

Shedelzare Silkwood the Vengeful Spirit:

I think this will work. Mark of Comet + Nether Swap + Magic Missile + Attacks + Frost Spear + Attacks + Magic Missile = Dead. If the unit has spells, then use Mind Lock. Pretty effective I think, you would be able to keep the unit inside your Mark of Comet the whole time probably.

MEE Heroes (a.k.a. Most Evil Enemy):

Nortrom - The Silencer

Nortrom the Silencer:

Your best comrade is your worst nightmare. His Last Words mean you cannot use your spells in succession, which renders them useless. Your Mind Lock cooldown is no match to his Curse of the Silent. Therefore, you can't prevent him from using it forever. His Global Silence proves a problem in Team Clash. Also, if he kills you, he steals your Intelligence (though this is irrevelant, it's still evil)!

Traxex - The Drow Ranger

Traxex the Drow Ranger:

Traxex would destroy you. Most of the time, it would be 100% chance kill for you if you are alone. Silence means you cannot cast your useful spells and Frost Arrows mean you are slowed forever. Drow Ranger gets increasingly dangerous as the game progress. If the player acquires Lothar's Edge, he could sneak up on you and gives you no time to escape.

Magina - The Anti-Mage

Magina the Anti-Mage:

His mana burn would totally devastate you. You wouldn't be able to use your combo in succession and his ultimate would kill you when your all of your mana is gone. Magina is an Anti-Mage after all, and you are the mage that he is going to anti! Though I think you could defeat him if you goes on the offensive and take him by surprise first. However, if it's him who decide to prey on you, Mind Lock and run for your life!

Final Says:

Thanks Dotastrategy for making sharing hero ideas possible.
Thanks Hudson Entertainment, Inc. for creating Dungeon Explorers: Warriors of Ancient Arts, where my idea came from.
If you find any skill overpowered or underpowered, please notify me and suggest a reasonable fix.
If you could think of any MVA or MEE Heroes, please notify me and tell me why in details

THANK YOU FOR READING!

Changelog:

2008-11-11: Removed the Mana Burn from Mind Lock, but added a ministun and a long silence effect if the targeted unit cast a spell. Increased Dissipate duration from 12 to 20 seconds.
2008-10-12: Completely changed Ultimate. It's now direct damages instead of channeling DPS. Finally remembered to made Dissipate has a duration.
2008-09-10: A slight change in Mark of Comet's dps.
2008-09-07: New Hero Alias. New storyline.
2008-09-05: Mind Lock now has mana burn.
2008-07-08: Increase Strength gain and decrease Agility gain. Made attackspeed slower. Reduces Mind Lock's duration by 4 seconds, mana cost by 20 per level, and changed cooldown to 60/50/40/30 from 60/60/50/50.
2008-07-02: Starting Strength improved for more healthpoints and added how to change weapons.

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1 By Bleeper Reaper 2008-07-02

How do you change between staff and wand and shield?

2 By Blood Hunter 2008-07-02

397 hp?
you would die so easily at5 the start
the skills are to confusing

3 By ArcherrS 2008-07-02

Sorry, isn't Hagel's Strength is too poor?

4 By ArcherrS 2008-07-02

But in general good

5 By TheGunslinger 2008-07-02

The face is girlish. I think you should make the hero female.

6 By Brewser 2008-07-02

im confused? how 2 switch between wand and shield and staff?
mind lock gd!
i agree with TheGunslinger - icon looks like a girl

7 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-02

Ah, I forgot to put that in.
You switch between staff and wand my clicking on the icons that would appear where the stats icon should be (so no stat icon)

8 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-02

Double post , but I will improve his starting Strength for more HP. It's hard to find icons. I know his appearance, but I couldn't find an icon that match so I have to use this.

9 By mangoman 2008-07-04

attspeed is too high, increase.
Does the mind lock effect go away once a spell is cast? if yes, improve this skill, make it deal 350 dmg. 170 mana is too much for a skill that onli deals 225 dmg, or even potentially nothing.
otherwise nice hero

10 By Squarepant 2008-07-04

nice hero,i like it,especialy form,really good for a battle mage................i like to play battle mage like silenser and raijin

11 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-04

Hmmm, I will think about Mind Lock's damage increasement. You also neglect that the Ultimate actually increase Mind Lock damage, too. For future commenters, can you guys give your opinion about Mind Lock, please?

12 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-07-04

i has prob with 2nd skill

explain "magic"

is drow's, arrow magic?
is rigwarl's slow magic?
then it's hell imba

other skills are fine though there are some issues with the ability to deny allies

13 By TheGunslinger 2008-07-04

Autocasts do not count as magic. Ie. Drows arrows, Huskars arrows, Bones arrows, Vipers poison, Silencers glaves...but only if on auto cast. If you click on the icon, and then on the enemy, it counts as magic. If on autcoast, it doesnt.

14 By choi9204 2008-07-04

well, looks nice! and if i (and you) can use it well, i mean properly,, then i think we no need to worry about stat because it increase fastly

i like it

15 By Counter_Force[X] 2008-07-04

then if manual cast much?

16 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-04

Mind Lock has massive mana cost and cooldown and only lasts 18 seconds. In Early game, for orb heroes, it doesn't matter much as they can wait for the Mind Lock to be over and then harass in the 42 seconds (or 32) before another Mind Lock is available or they could Autocast like mentioned.

17 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-04

Even if they do manual cast and take the damage, the mana cost and cooldown wouldn't allow spammning. Like explained in the Discussion Section, Mind Lock isn't really a Silence that could be spam, it's rather a more strategic spell. The less a hero use his spell, the more useful is Mind Lock, because it's probably because the skill is really valuable and only to be used in certain circumstances and if you are quick in those circumstances, Mind Lock would be very powerful. Still the cooldown...

18 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-04

and the mana cost are anti-imbaness. Therefore, I say, Mind Lock is fine unless you find another reason to demolish the skill. (Well a good reason is its insane combination with Curse of the Silent, but again, long cd and expensive mana cost)

19 By trinitydota 2008-07-04

Nice, but a bit confusing though, 8/10

20 By kornfleykz 2008-07-04

Rot is even better than Mark of Comet.

Ulti must have larger damage but a shorter duration. much like Treant's Over Growth.

21 By ogre-magi 2008-07-04

17 + 1.1 str gain? isn't that kinda low? i mean at the end you will only have 45 base str so he will be vulnerable to most heroes that have a silence, hex, or stun. Other than that, I like the originality of the skills. His ulty is similiar to jakiro's... a lot better though

22 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-04

You are right even Nevermore has better healthpoints than this hero at Level 25 with no items or Stat bonus: 1347 > 855. I checked all the Int heroes, or so I think, and the lowest Strength gain is 1.4, so I think I will boost the 1.1 to 1.4 or maybe 1.5.

23 By xh 2008-07-05

I think you should lower the duration of 2nd skill and ultimate.

24 By Open[godlike] 2008-07-05

Is this a female hero? If so make it more attractive.... Very similar to Rylia. (forgot the name)

25 By aounity 2008-07-05

Mind Lock is waaay too weak. Zeus nukes for 350 with a 7-second cooldown, and Mind Lock deals 225 with a 50 second cooldown, but only if the hero decides to cast a spell. A good addition would either be more damage and much lower cooldown, or have an added effect such as negating the effect of the first spell cast while locked, but removing the lock.

I might be misunderstanding the skill, however. Does the buff go away as soon as a hero casts a spell, or is it 225 per spell?

26 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-05

Not a girl, hence the pronoun "he" being used when preferring to the hero. The curse effect goes away when a spell is cast. It's explained in the skill itself with the wording (the lock would shatter), but I should've written "Lasts 18 seconds or until the unit cast a spell," so it's my fault.

@aounity
You may be right, I think I will reduce the cooldown a bit. I really don't want the skill to be spammable though, but I think the mana cost would probably prevent that, or so I hope.

27 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-05

I don't think ultimate's cooldown is that long. Also, it's not confusing when you read everything :( Though it might be my fault as I try to write as little as possible: compacted sentences are better than numerously tedious sentences. I am waiting for the first purple comment before a second Changelog, or maybe a comment from Ghost. If it's too long, I will do all the changes that you suggest that I think is reasonable. Now, I've to make a list so I won't forget and so that you can see...

28 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-05

and have comments on before the second changelog.

1.) Reduce Mind Lock's cooldown and add "or until the affected unit cast a spell" after the "Lasts 18 seconds."
2.) Hmmm, what else... reduce ultimate's cooldown by 20 seconds every level? So it's 120/100/80/60. Reasonable I think for an ultimate that cost a lot of mana.
3.) Increase Strength gain to 1.4 or 1.5 or 1.45
Hmmm, what else... emphasize that the hero is a male? lol

29 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-05

Ah, and increase the attack speed so it's slower. 1.5? 1.4? 1.3? I want it to be considerably slow, but not too slow.

30 By jaypee1307 2008-07-05

I think the ultimate is quite easy to escape because its just like the first skill of azgalor.

31 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-05

That's why it's not meant to be used alone. Frost Spear -> Dissipate -> Mark of Comet is the common synergy. I've to put a duration on Dissipate now though considering a 1v1.

32 By mirana0406 2008-07-05

lol stat gain sucks!!

2.25 ON AGI?
ITS OK IF 2.25 ON STR..
AND 1.1 ON AGI..
ITS LIKE TWIN HEAD DRAGON WITH HIGH STR AND INT, BUT LOW ON AGI..

33 By byronken17 2008-07-07

this hero aint ganna work. i mean ice powers? there are already 2 ice heroes in game. the skill is quite impressive. but the theme i dont think so.

34 By folechno 2008-07-07

wow, great job for putting in that much effort

now to my comments
the wand and shield or staff is a little confusing to me, is this like jah'rakal and melee/ranged mode where you can switch back and forth? could be explained better

flavor seems to much like Ryali, another ice maiden

why such a low str gain and such a high agi gain? she doesn't really seem like a dps hero so maybe balance those stats out a bit

35 By folechno 2008-07-07

my comments continued
form is also a bit confusing but understanding wand and shield or staff would have this make more sense

mark of comment seems too much like Ryali's freezing field, although the passive bonuses are pretty cool

for mind lock, i would decrease the cooldown and also decrease the duration of effect, the damage is fine and the mana cost could probably be reduced a little too

good creativity but also a lack in some areas, on the whole about a 6.5/10

36 By felipemartineli 2008-07-12

looks like complicated but,I liked

37 By bloodcraft 2008-07-13

nice hero

38 By JBlanco 2008-07-14

Hmmm I like the heros but have a few sudgestions. Like everyone else i think mind lock is way to weak... even with the added damage. I would add a 1 or 2 sec stun when it breaks to make it more useful. Also dissipate needs a time limit. Otherwise you can freeze someone and wait for the rest of your team to come and dystroy them. Pursue confuses me :(. Do all three balls hit the enemy 3 times? Also... can you use disapate throughout the whole 5 sec of slow? Nice Job.

39 By Mindzuia 2008-07-14

this hero is good, it's not like rylai, the framework is beautiful and the skills are good, but...

U mad??????? (just an emphasis word dont mind) Infinite freezing??? no duration???? means that u can freeze someone and he or she will stand there until another hero brakes the ice??????
sorry but this is completely MEGA UNFAIR, in a 1x1 battle, imagine, u stay there frozen and this hero does wat he/she (he or she auhauhauhauhauha?????) wants the entire game, DURATION=BALANCE

40 By Mindzuia 2008-07-14

put a duration for dissipate and it's "perfect", besides that, u spent way of a good time for that hero, well done!!!!!!

41 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-14

Ya, I was going to make Dissipate lasts 20 seconds, because I realize its horrifying power in a 1v1, but I forgot. How about a Silence if the caster decided to use a spell? Makes sense, your mind got locked, then the lock shatter... Yes, you can use Dissipate during the whole five seconds.

All three balls hit the enemies 3 times, but they bounce off to nearby units if there are any, so a certain target won't get hit 9 times unless there are no nearby units. Even in the forest, if he is...

42 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-14

...close enough, the balls could bounce off to the neutrals.

O yes, would mana burn be good for Mind Lock? :D

43 By [piG]Jenan 2008-07-14

lolz.
imba!
>.

44 By Shimrra_3 2008-07-15

OK its complicated and not totally explained but pretty innovative. I mean, its actually something interesting (rare).

On the ultimate, are those bonuses ALL passive, or are they (bar the mana points) only in effect during the hail storm? If its the hail storm, are they in effect within the AOE only or do you get a buff that leaves once you exit the AOE, or is it just for the entire duration regardless of location?

For Forms, how does the Pursue thing do more than 15%?

Continuing...

45 By Shimrra_3 2008-07-15

Mind Lock seems a bit underpowered. Just compare it to COTS, the cooldown is massive, the damage is much less, the mana cost is quite big at lvl4, and the way to counter it is even easier than for COTS. At least lower the cooldown.

The stat gain is way below average but it doesn't actually matter.

At this stage I would give this an 8 or 9, improve it and 10/10.

46 By l0l-troll 2008-07-15

When a hero who is under the effect of Mind lock tries to cast a spell, it will trigger Mind Lock. But what happens with the spell that the hero tried to cast? does it get casted, go on colldown and hero losses mana (and take damage from Mind Lock of course), or does the casted spell fail, go on cooldown caster takes damage and losses mana, or does it get interupted not going on cooldown, caster take Mind Lock damage and lose/don't lose mana?

47 By zzagozz 2008-07-15

is mind lock affecting passive skills like counter helix and riki's ulti?And if so, would it affect silecer's last word? i'd be very cool...

48 By zzagozz 2008-07-15

is mind lock affecting passive skills like counter helix and riki's ulti?And if so, would it affect silecer's last word? i'd be very cool...

49 By chimp_magi 2008-07-16

Ultimate needs reworking. Either remove the activate or the passives for his ultimate. Cannot grade yet its simply too imbalanced.

50 By MeNoHaxor 2008-07-17

the str seems really poor. but overall, it seems alright.

51 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-27

Currently on vacation, but I will clear up a few things.

The ultimate's passives are passives. But having an ultimate with such weak passives didn't seem right so I added a weak active to go along with it. I'm thinking of lowering the ultimate's power so it's weaker than Rot (or = to Rot with Scepter, but without the slow effect).

The Pursue value was before I changed the ultimate a bit while doing the finishing touch and was lazy to change the Pursue value.

....

52 By GalrsRevenge 2008-07-27

When one is under the effect of Mind Lock and casts a spell, the spell is casted, but the user takes the additional damage which is what the skill is intended to do.

I am thinking of adding a mana burn effect to Mind Lock and reducing its cooldown even further to 40/30/20/10 or 35/25/15/5 as the high mana cost would counter the low cooldown, but everyone has to realize the potentials of Mind Lock + Curse of the Silent :/

I made the cooldown so high because I wanted to prevent...

53 By l0l-troll 2008-07-28

Ok, thanks for answering my question, GalrsRevenge.

54 By Ginter_05 2008-07-28

This is good idea,,her skill is most impressive. Another great int. type hero.

55 By 6aman 2008-07-30

Ok, so we have another frost/ice mage here. At first I though this was gonna look like the Crystal Maiden or the Lich, but after I read about this hero's skills and abilities I have changed my mind. This one seems to be a very innovative hero. I am really getting tired seeing Lich and Crystak Maiden fighting each other with Frost Novas and Chain Novas. I am gonna make another post when i check the item and skill build and all spells ofcourse cuz i am really intrigued by this hero.

56 By 6aman 2008-07-30

Hi, me again. Hm...The first spell seems very balanced. Does not deal a lot of dmg but has a proper slow effect. The mind lock spell is also quite balanced and NEW. Until now we know several hostile effects on target which uses spells- pugna's ward and Nortrom's silence. In this case it deals an amount of dmg which is not too big but enough. Now the Forms spell is alot confusing and i am not sure how it is going to wotk.

57 By 6aman 2008-07-30

Ok finally the ultimate spell...damn too imba...can deal about 1k dmg and then boost your other spells. Its not even a channeling spell like crystal maiden's ultimate. Now you can say that 500 aoe is not a big deal, but imagine this-Mark of Comet+Shiva's gurad...slow averyone in about 800 aoe and then deal 1k dmg and if they still live just put mind lock on someone trying to escape with a spell...in other words Shiva+Ultimate=team wipe

58 By 6aman 2008-07-30

ok so as a final post for this hero i would like to say that this is a really promissing hero and deserves to be acceoted in the world of dota but he needs to be fixed in some ways(concerning hp and dmg). Just one non-important issue. Chnage the story behind this hero. We don't want to play with a shepherd :D

59 By GalrsRevenge 2008-08-03

I am thinking of reducing the active's damage, and yes, that storyline was temporary, but then again, why are you against sheperd, they are so cute and all...? :( j/k

I don't think the ultimate can kill a whole team by itself as there aren't enough slow. Frost Spear + Eye of Skadi could only work atmost on two targets.

No worry though, I am going to make active weaker.

60 By GalrsRevenge 2008-08-03

The stats :/
Well, what I wanted was for Tiefrot to possess great amount of agi so that he will attack very fast. So in return for his little amount of healthpoints, he deal quick little damages. (Something like a Semi-DPS Mage)

I, though, have little knowledge about stat points, so it would be appreciated if someone would help me modify the stats so that I achieve my goal.

61 By Kathulas 2008-08-05

my only issue with this hero is the story, it doesn't say anything about the fight between the two powers in the game. how did he become involved with dota? Westria doesn't exist in the warcraft world, neither does this breed guy. The story makes no sense, you don't even say which side he fights for. I know most people probably don't read the stories behind the characters but it would be better if the character was somehow tied to one side or the other. Other than that I like the idea.

62 By strygwyr in rage 2008-08-08

souns like another rylai with no str.
Also i think ulti is 2 imba, 100 dps at lvl 3 for 10 seconds? thats 1000, way more than doom, which isnt much different

63 By strygwyr in rage 2008-08-08

imagine what tinker would do to her.She just wouldnt fit in well

64 By strygwyr in rage 2008-08-08

oops i just read comet again and its in an aoe. sry guys w/e jokes on me

65 By Maca 2008-08-12

um wtf man ulti goes for ten seconds?? it takes like two seconds to run out of a 500 aeo!

even if someone stunned them that wouldnt be long enuf cuz there is no 10 second stun in tha game??

techies has the longest which is 6 seconds even that isnt long enuf! its just like sandkings only that sandkings slows them so they receive more??

Instead it shud be 150-200dmg per sec for 5 or 6. cuz ten sec in a 500 aeo is too long and cud be a waste! especially the charging 2 sec so thats 12sec.

66 By F7dim 2008-08-12

"Magina is an Anti-Mage after all, and you are the mage that he is going to anti!"

LOL! LOL! LOL! haha.

67 By F7dim 2008-08-12

"Magina is an Anti-Mage after all, and you are the mage that he is going to anti!"

LOL! LOL! LOL! haha.

68 By topovivi 2008-08-12

12sec for the ulti such a waste.
maybe 6sec is enough with increased dmg.
but the ulti can increased your mana?
well its made another int hero jealous
i think.

69 By knnbden 2008-08-17

I agree with bloodhunter. 397HP is pathetic and makes him a food

70 By GalrsRevenge 2008-08-18

It's 473 :/ not 397
It's a 76 difference (That's a lot to me)

71 By nwa4life 2008-08-18

its ok i lik the mind lock. its lik mana leak but if u cast a spell instead of mana which sucks (they will loss their mana from their spell) then it deals damage. great anti combo spell. XD.

72 By pomlaos 2008-08-19

idea pretty well done. especially about changing weapons. everything is pretty balance.

73 By InkyFingers 2008-08-23

Other characters already do all these things. Origionality please.

74 By killingedge 2008-10-09

I like this idea but change the ulti, it's too similar to CM ulti and also 50-100 damage from a hailstorm is nothing you can't kill anyone. Is it channeling, if it's not than it's too uber. But overall a great new hero that i anticipate to use if made.

Congratz

75 By GalrsRevenge 2008-10-12

Well, it wasn't until the 6.54d, I think, update, that CM ultimate became like this, but I guess I will change it.