Keres - Malevolent Spirit

i should add.
Awesome story provided by:
mangoman

sif have pudge as best enemy, all his skills are magic dmg... /rape. and ab isnt much of a prob for u, just 2 nukes... which arnt strong.

nice hero idea but first skill is imba if you can choose to turn it on and off and dumb if you cant,
just get HoD and a heart or two if you can change it, if not then you cant farm. last hits and denies usually help.

rest of the skills are fine, nice innovation on the ulti.

remake the first skill imo.

@ghost, tx 4 the mention, as u know from the hero ideas section, this hero gets both thumbs up from me. btw i'll get around to doin a sylvannas story soon .

Since when can a spirit be not ethereal whenever it wants to be?

you can last hit using spells which is why a made his 2 nukes AoE and why one of them is based off your stats so as to be able to have a constant gain of damage.
ethereal gives a huge mana regeration rate so as to spam them and they both have a short cooldown.

pudge gets owned by enclosure and you then running away.
hook is physical.

abbadon eats you early game.

Likewise you know I give this 10/10.

Anti-etheral comments: he has balanced it!

sorry, this just wont work, fountain rush much? apart from that its fine, btw omnislash might work, might not

ok, to elaborate

omniknight+this = imba

omnislash doesn't work against ethereal

and what would you do when you fountain rushed?

whats imba about omni knight?
and by imba you you mean magnus+witch doctor imba?

thankyou very much mangoman ^^

169-176 damage at lvl 25 without any items (only stats), to back up on the str and agi, give it a HoT and an AC and this is a monster. Dunno, I knwo very fragile but huuuge int boost. I won't rate it cuz I am confused.

Spells seem alright. By the way, can you turn etheral and not every time you like, or you are permanently etheral? If yeas, HoT and HoD will ROCK with this hero, and late game will kill everything in sight.

you are fragile with huge int because you are immune to physical, if you had the average str gain it would be really unfair. there is no need for armor as you are immune to physical so most of the stats go into int to pump your primary damage source (orbs)

yes, ethereal is permanent so while you have 200 damage a hit, you kinda.. can't.. hit things..

hope that cleared most of it up SlwaBluPhnx

How would you farm for midas even? But cool, I get it now. I still say, hot is one big item for this fella.

Is he affected by poison spells?

I don't get it... how do you farm (last hit/deny) in the beginning? I just don't think this can work. Maybe give him 50% physical immunity and a really low attack. That way the tree and the enemy creeps can hurt you a little. Also having 1(one) heart of tarasque can make you invincible. It just won't work... thumbs up for the originality but thumbs down for imbalance. With your ultimate you just can't be killed. You should not give the same hero complete physical immunity AND a means to escape damaging spells.

May i say overpowered much? I mean look ethereal all you have to do is get a bunch on linkens spheres or a black king bar and no can kill you. Also may i say as soon as you reach level 2 with a nuke and ethereal form you couldtake down roshan. Now does that make much sense. Overall this hero is way overpowered and at level 4 Ethereal + 3 or more lnkens spheres it would take almost 5 enemies nukers to actually ake you down. WAY OVERPOWERED

What if enemy does have a troll?

fist linkens doesnt stack

second black king bar by its very nature will own your ethereal, nothing anyone can do against that.

level 2 he cant solo roshan because he will spell spam you and his regeneration owns you as well.

you farm by spamming spells helped by your huge manapool and regeneration provided by ethereal

there is a fairly big cooldown on the ultimate, hell target with something like frost nova first. i may make it so you take 1/2 damage from spell absorbed.

poison spells such as poison nova and shadow strike do damage as does battle hunger.

can you attack buildings?

your ultimate is the only way to damage buildings and it does double damage to them

damn i left that out, i need to add that in first change log.

man, i like that hero alot...
you have a huge mana reg why dont you get a dagon? dagon and shivas guard would help your spamming alot!

i really like the idea though its like a nuker who can only killed by nukers as well :)

3rd deals about 300+ damage on late game if i got it right..thats not much is it?Now,this guy is something like an anti caster?Cause only casters have an ulti that can actually be used for damaging them..What happens with doom or rexxars ulti or Magnus ulti?Do you also get the stun to an AoE?And 1st skill makes u invulnerable against attack damage heroes but what if u are against a caster?Your life points do not support greater damage than a laguna blade or something like that..

Well, I really like the idea... Being ethereal means resistance to physical and well, in DotA it seems also vulnerability to magic... But the extra regen? I dunno, paired with some regen items you could spam like crazy those orbs and keep anyone from coming close to you... And with the 8 second cooldown, it's even worse...
Now then, the second skill is great, it would allow your allies to come in closer in those seconds of "channeling", and it could be used to prevent a hero from escaping.. Very good...
Now, the orbs... Very good, but the 2x intelligence damage... I think it's too much...
Oh...HELL 4 int gain? I dunno, I guess it could be balanced by the other two... But on a hero like this, who benefits from the intelligence he currently has, I believe you should lower it a bit...
Ultimate.. Nice... Not much to say about this, except how nice it would be to have Lina throw Laguna Blade at you...
Very good, but to me, I believe you should balance the int a bit...

No wait...sorry... I just calculated... It's not THAT much, but the 4 is impressive
Disregard the parts about the int thing in my post... lol
And sorry for double post...

Great storyline. I'm very impressed with that one. I hope the one for Sylvanna's is as good too, I really would like to see her added as a new hero in the next patch. Shes straight out of warcraft unlike some hero suggestions like... terran marine or the predator.. hehe

the int is needed for the orbs to do an acceptable amount of damage.by getting lots of int, he looses lots of life.

and the mana regen on ethereal is to help you gain an attack by being able to spam orbs. early game it does by level 7 (i think) 215 (target) + 108 (splash)
late game it has huge potential if you stack some massive Int items.

naturally you get owned when people get a hood.

@Riaining
Sylvanas has a story now.
you really should be thanking mangoman for taking the time to write them for me. (btw it is another work of art)

edited.
wondering if ultimate should do double damage to buildings..
ideas?

WAY TO GO GHOST this is no more a dream a real hero idea. nice work

powerful hero and I like the ulti very much as it is a little bit close to my heros' ulti

9/10 from me.

uuuuhhhh...nosebleed

i understand a bit. But the first spell isn't very clear to me...

veeery nice i like it, ult = nice

nice hero, though i didnt like the first skill

The fact that the ultimate already does damage to buildings is enough to make her one hell of a pusher if faced against nukers... If you buff it so it does double damage, then the game is won the second you pick this against nukers...
For me, that would be too much, considering the amount of damage most of those guys can do with a single nuke (just a lame Dragon Slave already takes a base tower a quarter hp...)

@raxxar
kk i'll leave it as it is

@AXCELACCEL
my heroes take too long to make, i am still tweaking the other 3 with about 2 more in the works, i expect to be done in 3 months. i only finished this 2 weeks ago ^_^

@KING-MANKIND
everyone wants a spell that owns laguna blade into an area of effect.

@cham1259
ok you are ethereal.. no damage taken from physical attacks/spells (assassinate wooo)... bonus damage taken from magic (laguna blade OUCH).. to damage people it gives bonus mana regen for the spamming of 2 spells.

@KrayZspYne
thanks

@bloodcraft
first skill makes you.

this is ridiculous. how can it not be hit by regular attacks? thats like anti-dota. I mean, everything can be attacked. That should definitely be a casted spell, not an ability that's always on. I know that Keres can't attack either with it, but I think that's just dumb. Why don't you make a hero that they might actually use?

This hero is the dumbest hero idea ever. I can make up better ones in my sleep.

@ above two posts = Wow. Learn to read?

is 4.05 Int gain really reasonable?

i think MOST of ds agrees keres is awesome, but i have 2 things to point out, 1, keres will never be accepted into dota because the imbalance of keres against dps heros would be too much, so there would be modes like NK (no keres) and other annoying shit, but maybe make etheral flicker a bit, so quite randomly you ethereal/un-ethereal, and 2, first skill says HER story says HE/HIM and it doesnt really say a specific gender anywhere else

o yes i just realised that if keres is etheral that he/she/it should have like NO collision size, also first skill says loses physical form, which implies that you HAD physical form, blargh too much incongruity between skills and story...

wow the story's very long,but good hero otherwise

hey is the first skill permanent?if she's unable to attack,why do u put the dmg?

@AJ07
shall i start the campaign to have you removed now?

@bobjones
first this is an ORIGINAL hero thus it is infinately better than your standard aura+nuke+reworded and regurgitated spell+finger of death under a different name.. so screw you hippy
second.. i don't see drew publishing any of your stuff.
i shall also have you removed.

@Flodian
you forget that a high Str gain means life.. and high agi means armor.. int simply means mana so it is reasonable as you cannot do damage by conventional attack methods. orb spamming yay?

@War_Wrecker
shush. i originally designed this to be a chick by the storymangoman game me had her down as a guy i simply couldn't be bothered rewording it in either the skills or the story.

yes being ethereal means no collision size but that doesnt mean you can walk up cliffs...
once again the story was written by a third party after i had written the skills, i shall change the wordings on skills because i like the storys concept of her/him.. her i think.. next changelog, sometime tomorrow.

@duro†ar™
is a long story a bad thing?
you do damage by spamming spells with the regeneration provided by your first spell and the high int gain.

@everyone who thinks 4.05 int gain is high
look at it logically, you get lots of mana..
BIG WHOOP

The high int complaining is probably due to your thrid skill. It deals 2x your int in damage to everyone in a 400 area.

At level 25 (this is late game obviuosly) you have standard 129 int. With your item build you have an additional 70 int for a rounded 200 int. Now throw in the 13 stat gains you get thats nother 26 int, for 216 int.

That means that dark orbs would deal 432 damage in an AoE every 8 seconds. Plus you have a standard 155 int with just stats. Harbinger strives for that kind of int, and he needs lots of items.

226 int rahter, I messed up my own math... so it would deal 452. The basic int is the same.

Also that adds 155 natural damage from just int gain. Also very high.

And does the ult calculate the bonus damage done to you by becoming ethereal before it activates, since you only take 50% damage done?

@ shmirra: learn to read what? i read it all.

@ ghost: remove me? lol, i'm just speaking my mind, so what?

@ AJ07: Your also flaming dude, and Drew be not a fan of that.

@people complaining about INT gain: Pugna's got almost the same INT Gain minus the .05. And Hell, till the last update, N'aix gained mega AGI.

@Ghost: Bard Man whole heartedly approves of this hero. He/She/It reminds bard Man of something he's been working on lately.

@MrZombie
orbs are your only REAL damage source and they are very easy to avoid. because nobody in their right mind would stand next to you because well they cant physically damage you, just stand back and spam.
and yes 50% of spells damage is taken by the ult then 30% of that is done in bonus to you because of your first skill.

@AJ07
the point is how is anti-physical andti-dota
refer to... well most int heroes
laguna blade kills you instantly until you go buy a heart.. then laguna blade + dragon slave + light strike array skills you lets see who else can kill you in 1.5 seconds.. zeus, enigma, chen, puck, pugna.. there are more (refer to "Your Worstest Non-Friends AKA Nasty Enemies")

@Bard Man
thanks
post it in dream heroes when you are done I want a look

concerning the orbs, you could just OUTRUN THEM ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FOUNTAIN?
sheesh some people are really smart

that or you just stand back because there is no point in standing next to keres

i don't say a long story is a bad thing,but no physical attacks???
it seems too weird for me
well maybe that's bcoz i'm a dps hero user

OK, you have 150 int with stats at lvl 25. When you get orchid and shiva and linkens, your int is 220. Your damage is 440. Weak for late game. Do the damage like 3x and reduce the cooldown to 5 sec since you have no other direct damage output.

AJ07 = flamezalot.

@ SlwaBluPhnx = oh no its fine how it is. Everyone refuses to see how balanced it is, 440 or 500 or whatnot at lvl25, but pathetic until at least mid game, and only that powerful when its no longer that useful. Making it THAT strong... ultimate level skill lol.

Overall I agree with everything in Ghosts post following MY last post (that huge one, work it out).

first skill is imba and a bit noobish.early game u havent any mana for spamming ur spells and u cant do anything.Also he cant go mid early game.EXTREMELY unbalanced hero.And if u tell me about alchemist who is nothing but food early game ur wright
bur alchemist can be an extremely dangerous tank late game.At least make dark orbs and spiritual enclosures cooldown less and change a bit his first skill. he has supposely entered the real world, he cant be ethereal all the time
e.g make it an ulty without magic exposure but with a great mana take .like syllas ulty or smth like this.and for the story its great but u state that he goes with the GOOD but u can also imply that he goes with the scourge because of his megacatastrophic ideas.State clearly plz.

the ethereal is still unfair thats not balanced at all EVERY HERO in this game can be killed by EVERY HERO some heroes have advantages over others mortal advantages not imortal advantages

and no ethereal shouldnt be able to toggle..... if it does tone down the int adding ALOT. its +4 for gods sake

Awesome ideas for skills and the whole hero in general but, having it completely immune to physical damage altogether seems a bit much. I mean, if the opposing team is full of non-magic heroes like the ones you posted above (which can be very likely), and then you get Keres, you can't really lose...?

I was also wondering, when you release the spell you absorbed, does it do full damage to eah enemy the ring encounters or is the damage spread out somehow? Can you also absorb a spell that does no damage? Like Crystal Maiden's Frostbite. And when you absorb, lets say, Lich's ult when he has aghanim's, do you deal full scepter damage as well?

I think you mentionned that Keres is a male once and a female another time. Which is it? Or, since Keres is ethereal, does it really matter?

By the way, thank you for your help on my hero idea! cheers

@duro†ar™
thats because it is weird.

@SlwaBluPhnx
but you see it is directed at all units in an aoe and it has 50% splash so it can be a heap more than that.

@XHellspawNX
i didn't write the story
not imba
any into hero eats you early
if they dont have an int hero you are instantly countered by radience dagon or most stuns or other nukes from agi and str heroes.
NOT IMBA LEAVE ME ALONE

@NovaProspekt
name one hero that can beat faceless void late game....

FFS I HAVE SAID IT 1000 TIMES ALREADY HE NEEDS THE +4 INT TO SPAM SPELLS AND HAVE YOUR MAIN SPELL DAMAGE
look at pugna for +4 int and he get to do physical damage with it.

@cowlickman
there is a -repick command
non magic heroes are generally very tanky, they cant loose because you cant successfully damage them enough.

you do full damage to the area of the initial damage absorbed, frostbite does something like 80 a second.. so it does 80 to the aoe.
does full aghanim's damage.
umm yes it is a guy but i may have missed the word her somewhere.

i am here to help
i'm stil waiting on your next hero.

I laugh at this really really hard.
not that its bad, this is pretty cool, but what happens when viper or silencer comes along and orb walks u to death? lol. u can attack by orb walk in pugna's decrepify too haha

hmm yes orb walk does eat you alive, why did nobody else see that, casting an orb makes it a spell so in vipers case you get owned because it slows and does 40 so roughly 52 damage a second.

silencer is probably worse.. you need your intelligence without you are.. well stupid.. and useless

Huh... Bard Man probably was too busy with his Forsaker Hero (Now released) to notice that gaping flaw. Oh well. And ya, Silencer would be f*cking godlike if he just hunted Keres for a while. Those glaives would just eat the sh*t out of you. The new Orchid Malevolence would ALSO be a real b*tch due to the Soul Burn...

Oh by the way, Bard Man is fixing up a few other heroes like Micheal Martreb. Hope you like them.

This is a no for me... I didnt like this hero idea. Hard to understand and seems to b waek.

centaur warchief with 2 mails or more

or troll or rikimaru or sladar. shall i go on?

void rapes riki
and since he does a lot of damage with his stuns (the bonus dmg) which is not reflected by the blade mail centaur will be killable... maybe it takes sometime (your lifeleech will neutralize the dmg of him...)

i still dont know why you dont get dagon5 with this dragon though :(

how does riki suck against void? first hes invis all the time so u always get first strike. cloud plus the evasion of butterfly RAPES voids stun. ive whooped a void he had 3 bashers mask of madness heart and cryst, i was riki i had Y&S skadi and butterfly and he got pwnddededed

oh and i had bot

Late-game thread elsewhere please?

3 bashers mask of madness heart and cryst... noob build much?

@Viper-Shadow
with your useless feedback how am i meant to improve this hero?

@NovaProspekt
centause is countered by satanic, note that backtrack defeats his passive and it also defeats blademail.. 25% of the time.
slardar looses because of a little thing called chronosphere.
riki dies to a thing known as a gem
or wards.
shall i go on?
stupid flamer.
troll dies to chronosphere

@shimrra_3
thank you...

@bard man
because you are awesome like that, yes easy to counter
hell clinkz owns you. with orb walking.

oh and you instantly loose to
" EVERY HERO in this game can be killed by EVERY HERO " given you named about 4 of more than 80
damn snap
i win
more accurately every hero has a counter.
and this guy does.

also: sorry about the yelling in the earlier post.
i skipped over most of your last sentence ^_^
mainly because i saw the words +4 int imba and the post from XHellspawNX,

btw a hero that does beat void is spectre with butterfly.
that is also the only hero who can beat skadi+satanic razor in a 1 on 1

i rly like this hero!! hope for it to come :D

i didnt write that he must be real sometimes cause it is imba.........as most people said one dagon counters u cause at level 5 itll do 1200 damage aproximately so every hero in dota can kill u easily and thats why i said u t put cooldowns lower....ok it has an imba ulty which will take 800 damage from dagon lets say and deal ~1800~ damage and has dark orbs that deal 400 damage and a disable.these skills in order t get get imba and kill easily void ]spectre ........ and many more MUST have lower cooldown for combos and his ulty make the cooldown 20 after u have released tha spell and for gods sake is he with scourge or sentinel.maybe hes now more imba but balance it urself and also i would reccomend u t make him real and not ethereal all the time

where did u find the photos?

just not fair because it makes a lot of heroes pretty much useless....

doesnt matter ghost whats better than a perma stunner oh a ranged perma stunner. thats troll.

@XHellspawNX
there was the word "and" to separate clauses you didn't say that but what you did say and still are saying is ticking me off.
if i lower the cooldown on orbs at all they would be more spammable than Zeus' chainlightning and bolt. if the stun was any more spammable it would be very very unfair.

your ultimate RAPES a push it does damage to towers and say you would be taking 1800 you take 900ish and then release it instantly killing a tower, creepwave and severely damage all nearby enemy heroes.
google "hive workshop"

@ice_knight1337
thanks

@AJ07
any hero with a castable orb or spells or a dagon or orchid or shiva can absolutely own you.
if you don't have a spell spammer on your team get someone to repick it is simple.

@NovaProspekt with troll it is very situational, if troll gets blind on you, you loose otherwise chronosphere and he looses.

it's a ppopular belief in most part of the world, ghost came out in the night. IMO only, keres should be given ability to shift ethereal to real at day and must remain ethereal at night . just my imagination , perhaps you'll consider ?

Bard Man's comment - no , orb walking will not ea him up as you expected , keres remains ethereal mean he does NOT take physical damage , but only the damage from glaives, searings and other autocasts. bone SA and sil glaive are full damage and are not affected by spell resistance so keres will not be badly affected. correct the spell resistance part if i'm wrong , i'm not sure abt tht.

orb walking (continuous casting of an orb) makes the orb a spell but it will only do the bonus damage to keres.

and keres isn't a ghost
a SPIRIT
and spirits can do whatever the hell they want an long as it doesn't involve being physical.

won't take damage from autocasted orbs.

manual cast > auto cast

can u now plz tell me where did u find the icons and i agree with u about the stun but the orbs should be more spammable after all it is ur only real nuke except for ulty make the cooldown like necros 1st skill

oh and one more thing that i want t apologize...................................................................................
i was confused ur ulty with another one of another hero that ive seen about 1800 damage and all these just think that i didnt say it but orbs need t be spammable and soz for ticking you off

8 seconds is spammable

i'm sorry if i irritated you ghost , but you seem not to understand my point , yes keres is a spirit , i'm suggesting him to be a GHOST meaning to change the whole spirit to ghost because a full time ethereal doesnt seem fine and a lot would argue with it . here i put a point again , that i do NOT mean to irritate you , and is extremely sorry if i do.

lol the thing with not being ethereal is that it would unbalance him. he has a disable and a REALLY BIG nuke of an ultimate and spammable damage spell.
if he were to become physical he would need to have 2 of his other skill remade to balance.

a good hero ideea.

hmm gr8

i was thinking on some spirits
simirar to this 1


new here so dont know how to get things done

6/10

one more thing in which site did u find the pictures because wc3search has a problem

Instantly pick-first-skill
first time hero

how do this hero work?

XHellspawNX
once more. the hive workshop

Pudge will be a great enemy for this...

seems that you made that point clear , i'm guessing no more changes so ill put 10 , though i've argued with the ethereal part .

ty

ok call me noob call me whatever u want but with which program am i going t convert the images from the hive workshop?blp t jpg

dont answer i found it

Yea first skill is to imba- Maybe like takes more from damage and less from melee.
I mean cmon cant be hit by physical means all str and agil heros are nerfed heaps.
Also his 3rd skill is nice but you could stack to much int and prob needs a deadzone like harbs ulti.
Cooldown is also very for a powerful skill.
I suggest buffing the 2nd and redoing the 1st while tweaking the 3rd.

@allassandro
first skill gets you owned by spells, he doesn't task or deal any physical damage, agility heroes with a castable orb can still rape him, anyone else can easily rush an 11 minute dagon and rape him from there.

third skill is his only damage output, it has an AoE of 400 and nobody would be standing that close to you because there is absolutely no point.

the second skill is made to assist the third skill.

this is the only late-game viable INT hero, countered by any early-mid-game INT throughout the whole game.

i think i have met mangoman in ggc. :D and for the hero idea, not bad thoguh i dont have an idea of how to farm w/o normal attacks.and early game, when dps heroes start owning, they cant scratch you. and w/ a HoT, even int guys arent that much of a threat thoguh they can still kill.. 8.25/10 for me

thats why ethereal gives super mana regeneration.if you get items like HoT you get owned because you are sacrificing a slot for massive INT pumping.
it is almost worth getting skadi..

Physical immunity in exchange for Spell damage increase?! well, HOw am i gonna last shot early? and what if i don't have mana and some enemy idiot is near me with one hp?!heck!!!!

How long did it take this hero to be approved Ghost.I have built 2 heroes.The one has connections with your Sylvanas.:P

this got approved right after i finished it (this is out of the 4 i have made (disowned 1 of them simply on the icons (they are meant to match (it gets you bonus marks))) BUT it took me 3 months to finish (mainly because i am lazy) and it was only finished because drew liked the concept and told me to hurry up and finish it.
I believe that if it is original (very original concept or otherwise) it will be published, there are however about 100(guess (more if bard man submits everything)) guides submitted each week most of which are somewhat useless and boring (aura/passive,nuke,finger of death ripoff and some jacked up skill that already exists in dota anyway) but then there are maybe 2 or 3 that are outstanding and (as far as I know) drew only puts up 1 hero idea every 2 weeks.

glad you liked Sylvanas
that idea took me... 8 coffees and house of flying daggers to create coupled with 4 double sided a4 sheets full mainly of scribbles. CAFFINE

anyway back from my first aid training so expect something in dream heroes soon.

SO KOOOOOL i reallly wan this added to dota so i can play him XD yeah but i agree with no0bfier about the first spell being imbal.

You should also change the ulti so the person cant keep the spell forever. imajine if lina lagunas you, you can just keep the spell until u see some1 who will be killed by it. and imagine if agian if some1 lagunas you, u basically now have an instant creep wave kill spell.

omfg noob.This is what makes him unique lol check other posts about it.

@Ghost well im lazy sometimes of playing dota.The one that had connections with Sylvanas has a really long story and took me about 7 hours of endless sitting and he is a starter hero(for noobs).The other one is extremely complicated with big skill explanations and if understood well the most imba one after the perma-bashers.How am i going to use the changelog im new to this site.

The first sentence goes to smallmonster.

figured as much ^_^
complex is good, just not too complex try make it as simple as possible search for my hero "cain - the mercenary" on how to not not do complicated.
but yes smallmonster agreeing with the person who posted 2nd after a minor changelog is not going to do you very much. don't go saying you agree with people until you read all the other posts saying its a brilliant idea.
hell you probably wont read this.

Seriously, only two words to describe this hero: Plain WEAK. Enternal is ok, but enclosure... 2.5sec is a lot, he could have windwalked or something. Dark orb is even worse, 2x your intel, you cant even deal 150 dmg early game with the skill maxed. Late game at most you can only deal 200dmg to 300 dmg. Unless you farm until extremely good. you should like reduce the cooldown since you cant normal hit, and have effect like slow or something.

pretty cool....i'd like to try him out

@Ghost Well thats the point with my first created hero.He needs to be complicated.If he wasnt he would be extremely imba.e.g.he has 7.3stats gain per level!(i think ill change it) and he has 1.6 base attack speed which if approved may be changed.Ah about the Sylvanas-connected hero,he is her enemy!

GO in the forum asap in dream heroes,theres a surprise for u.

trinitydota
think before posting
the wall is a solid object and you can't escape it.
and the orbs... we have them down to 500-600 damage to units within an AoE +250-300 splash damage

XHellspawNX
headed there now.

everyone here is a nerd

awesomeeee

lina/dagon will pwn this hero any day. for it to be more realistic, u can have ethereal make keres travel through any terrain (cliff, trees). I don't think it'll be imba because this hero is really really situational otherwise.

u...naga siren s d best hero ever..no one can beat nagz ever...

Just wundrin', why don't you make the first skill optional instead of a forced ethereal form?

wtf.. bane elemantal would rape the sh*t out of this man.

also, you forgot to add him!

Why would i not make a forced skill
it is a fantastic original thing, don't like it, screw you.

duh i didn't add him.
point is spells own you.
bane doesn't spam spells so he is ultimately less deadly.

Put it this way, Bane owns Keres just as much as Bane owns almost everyone else. Clear?

hmm or; bane can own you oncer every 120 seconds provided he isn't owning someone a hell of a lot tankier and useful, like void

w0w what a g0d!!!especially the last skill it packs a wallop!XD

@thanatoz
well aren't you just the most amazingly useful person, i don't even know if the was a compliment.

this hero is messed up...

thank you?

So he says this hero is messed up but doesn't say how...

GOD THAT GUY HAS IMPORTANT OPINIONS.

i know yeah
like people who compare ultimates to maledict and say the ultimate is imba because it is more powerful.
really useful stuff that, but you get over it.

i have 2 ask .. is this hero immune against physical dmg ? ^^

yes.
immune to physical, takes extra from spells.

nice idea. Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery unique. I think you should have Dark Orbs do more damage when you level it. As in like .7x of your int for the first level. Or something like that. Cause getting this early doesn't really help too much.

Spiritual enclosure would be better early game because you'll actually do a decent amount of damage that would be spammable at least each creep wave. Dark Orbs doesn't do much damage early game.

Ethereal is pretty sick. It's a "double-edged sword". Immune to physical, bonus damage from spells. I like the fact that spells like heals heal you more tho

For Absorb, do you take damage when you get hit by the spell or when you cast Release?

One more thing, your skill build says Return is your ultimate when you don't actually have a skill called Return. Do you mean Absorb? Just wondering.

Overall, a creative and original hero that is actually worth reading, unlike these other hero ideas. Have you read some of these other ones? It's like WTF!? Anyways 10/10

Sorry for double post but what i meant is that Dark Orbs should do more damage to begin with. The 2x your int for level 4 is fine. Just the .5x int is kinda weak for early game, especially when your getting it as your second skill.

I think you should get Ethereal at level 5 so you can farm a bit and then once you hit level 5, you can learn Ethereal and have your ulti do more damage.

But of course, you would take an additional 60% from spells do to you only having 1 level of Ethereal instead of like 40% so i guess um...hmmm idk. I guess it depends on who you're up against lol.

Well either way, it's hard to farm with Dark Orbs early game.

Im not trying to flame or anything, just so you know. Just trying to criticise constructively. No offense

I like this hero
though first skill should be able to turn on and off. Int gain is too much, y would u nid so much mana and regenaration???

i thought gah-mooshit was the worst, this is even worse than worst..
ethereal? meaning you can't attack or be attacked is the lamest s**t one can think of, don't even give him a base damage dope..
so his only source of damage is from his 2nd and 3rd skill, his ultimate is based solely on luck, if anyone wants to cast a spell on him, which is so predictable because he can absorb it.

so i can imagine, early game, he just stands in one lane like a sucker without an attack power for the whole game, depending on his skills, waiting for the cooldown, hoping to get a kill..

super lame.. i can say no more..

great character idea very abstract
i like it.

i think though the phased out idea is a little imbalanced... not in the cheap way but more as in inaccessable to quite a few chars and it in that sense becomes an unfair advantage since you can bash them all you want while they cant touch you much
like mort for instance yeah she is imba but like all she could do to you is shadow strike which is nothing... and void becomes useless asid his stun and freeze which do no damage... clinkz, drow, naix, etc the list goes on... it makes him only touchable by casters which in the long run most are cheap anyways cuz casters have lots o disable and stun so like... i dunno i think it needs some remaking with the phased out things... and then it also makes me wonder if pugna's decrepify works on him since he is already phased out...

oh and sry for the double post but the ult is WAY imba too... i mean you dont even specify how long it lasts so im guessing indefinitely from the time it is acitvated and that is cheaper than LoA's shield and that is pretty imba i mean come on immunity to the stun and slow effects PLUS the fact that you take no dmg AND return nearly 2 times (generally speaking) the damage of the spell in an AoE that is just oo much man... that is like taking the Right Thumb of God and making it usable in the game...

hey how can i submit my own hero idea.... does this mean that if your hero idea is good and rated high, it will be included in the game?

awesome hero

just a question

since keres is male why is his avatar female o.o

@dohyun99
the thing about orbs is, they hit every unit and then do splash (50%) so in a creep wave situation you could be doing 50 damage to all the creeps which is fine for last hitting and as towers can't hurt you ^_^ it doesn't matter horrible if you push a little further than you probably should.
compare orbs damage to glaives of wisdom.

@hemingxi
what does INT do?
it gives mana and damage (yeah like that supposed physical damage you could theoretically be able to do) the damage gets moved into a spell that you can cast every 8 seconds.
why the massively insane mana regeneration, that is simple he can only do damage through spells, it would seem unfair to not give him a way to maintain it.

@tr3ncht0wn
his spells are spammable and can potentially do allot of damage he can chase you to the fountain to kill and his ultimate provides potential protection from the worst of spells, dps heroes cry when facing you. Other casters can own you if you don't kill them first.
this lame piece of shit is original and works well, or at least almost every other person who has been here says so.
thank you for your cooperation.

@twitterish
yes for the most part you can't be touched by people like troll and void, but in a way that is needed, who can face down void late game (hell your spells miss 25% time anyway (GIT)) people can orbwalk you to death as that makes them count a spells. with pugna you get the spell damage increase to 44% for the duration of the spell as it would over ride yours, you would also loose the mana regeneration for the duration.
with the ultimate you missed the fine print, if you absorb doom when you release it, it will only do 16 damage to each unit in the AoE shadow strike (level 4) will do the initial 100 to the AoE.
laguna blade (3 with agh) however will do 1250 but you will take 625 + 30%

@pioneer16
you make strategies and heroes under the my strategies like up the top. just bvecause it is rated high, does not mean it will be included in the game, after you get some feedback here (suggest you post in the dream heroes fourm as well because you might not get your hero accepted into this bit) if people like it, you should take it to the official dota forums and submit it there, even then there is only a very very small chance it will be accepted or even looked at.

@kaylaaka
just a very emasculated spirit.
a tragic flaw but there are no good male spirit icons.



Return/Absorb/Release
another flaw from the renaming of the skill, also the icon for Release has magically run away.
anywhere you see the word return just pretend it is actually Absorb.
when a spell is absorbed the icon and name of the skill changes to Release.

Think before speaking, kind sirs.

He'd have something like 64++(added splash) at lvl2, with an 8sec cooldown. It would be hard to time lasthits using skills, since creeps are one-way thinkers:they hit whoever comes first in a creepwave. Here's something to ponder on:

A)He/She?/It should at least have a minor dmg atack. Maybe 10-12dmg at lvl1 (or whatever, he has to have it.)

Why? Every hero has it, even just to attract creep attention. Why shouldn't you?

With the problem of how to keep your dmg low, his Ethereal skill comes to mind.

B)Ethereal still makes you ethereal(duh), but you should be targetable by normal attacks, only that it deals at least MINOR damage. I mean at least 20/15/10/5% or so. And since you have a low-dmg attack that will rise with your INT since it is your primary stat, you could add a special status to ethereal that either reduces points or percentage from your attack. First level should be forced. Then the next levels should be optional.

Level 1 - 20% physical dmg recieved, takes an additional 60% damage from spells. +50% mana regeneration.
Level 2 - 15% physical dmg recieved, takes an additional 50% damage from spells. +80% mana regeneration.
Level 3 - 10% physical dmg recieved, takes an additional 40% damage from spells. +110% mana regeneration.
Level 4 - 5% physical dmg recieved, takes an additional 30% damage from spells. +150% mana regeneration.

For the attack debuff, you guys do the math. I need to sleep so I can do math well.

Hope you think on these ideas. Peace.

Sorry for the doublepost, but here's an idea.

Sonce he has almost 1 agi gain, why not make it his primary stat? To eliminate the need for atk reduction from Ethereal

But then again, give him butter for eavsion armor and ATTACK. arr.. Wwhatever goes, just think it through guys. He needs that normal ATK.

Third post. I have to get this through.

Pugna casts a powerful banishing magic on another unit. The unit is sent to the (***take notice here***)ethereal plane for a small period of time, reducing its movement speed by 50% and rendering it unable to attack. It takes 40% extra damage from spells.

What will happen if you send something ethereal to the ethereal plane?

Makes him a real boy, geppeto? Or maybe we should just turn off his first skill for the duration, or his mana regen. Decrepify's increased spell dmg SHOULD NOT affect him as he is already ethereal.

Any other opinions?

@shiraki02
just to quote you..
"Think before speaking, kind sirs."
ethereal is forced as your first skill and optional as you become a higher level.

give him an attack and he becomes useless, he can't last hit with it and harassing would just be useless DIE take this 1 damage fiend..oh passive regeneration just owned me again.

pugna would slow you and up the ISD to 44% instead of 30%

yes sending an ethereal being from the ethereal plane back to the ethereal plane while in the ethereal plane is weird, it is theoretically possible..

while your ideas are good, they would probably destroy this hero because if his piss all health and then vulnerability to permabashers.

very creative but i would like the hero to be female no really it will be much...mystrieus dont u think oh and one more thing,first skil......IMBAAAAAAA

I wanted it to be a girl as well originally but it was easier to swap the word she to he than he to she.

what makes you think it is imba?
do you pike void in a regular basis of something?
buy a dagon.

first move is way tooooooooooooo imba

I think it's a fun idea, but he would be FAR too imba early and midgame... He could easily dominate any other hero (maybe not mirana / pudge tho')... Also your skills for him are ridiculesly powerfull... All of them!!

how are they imba?
you really should say more.

1st skill is imba only against heroes without spells.
2nd skill is like sprout meets vacuume.
3rd skill your only real damage output.
4th is a damage returning partial linkens.
i am lost in the imba
only one skill is imba.. really

Me got quoted. mehh. >.<

Wasn't able to read or remember that part.

For approval, i guess it(yes the hero) would do, since Ethereal balances itself. I still know that the normal attack is a must, for tactical reasons.

Attacking an enemy hero in front of the creeps gets gets their attention, then that's when you use them orbs. Or whatever. It isn't te damage we're taking into consideration here, kind sir.

Well, I still think this hero wulod be tweaked by the time this idea reaches IceFrog. Whatever happens, I'd really like to see this hero in DotA :D

Forgot to mention, she should still be targetable, how are you going to attract creeps if they know they can't attack you?

On second thought, it's enough as it is. Mehh. I need my bed. x_x

Let them tweak what they'd want to tweak, I still want this hero on DotA! Don't you guys want him there too?

@shiraki02
if you are alone, orbs would grab the creeps attention anyway.

hmmm naturally i want this hero in dota, it will not make it that far, DS heroes never do

nice hero but i really wouldnt like that he cannot attack.

If he absorb pudge Rot what will it damage? :/
and it will be kinda hard to farm in the beginning I guess.

anway i liked the ideas a lot!

rot isn't a single target spell.
he can suck up night stalkers silence.
TAKE THIS 1 DAMAGE

it will do either 1 or zero actually, i am lost on deciding what happens to no damage spells.

probably 0, sucks to be you.

@Ghost

HEY ,does ABSORB only absorb spell damages? or does it absorb both spell and normal attacks?

i think i might just let the stupidity of that question sink in....

"The next targeted spell to hit Keres is absorbed and can be released into the area around him"

i hope that answers your question, if not then read this...

"Notes: absorbs single target spells such as "storm bolt" and "frost nova" when absorbed you take no damage from the spell and you don't receive any of the debuffs like a stun or slow. for damage over time spells such as "doom" or "shadow strike" it only does the initial damage to the AOE"

hey this hero is in dota 6.49?

so pretty much against a few heros this hero is invincable and to other heroes hes just meat

there has to be some kinda counter so he can survive a little against heroes like demon witch

his ultimate + linkens should stop some of it.
in the end i guess just ping like a retard and hope you allies save you.

YES! I love this hero / background. Perfect int and seems overpowered but really isnt. Its like lifesteal ppl complained about the crazy, my bad, stupidly high ammt of dmg it did but got better as ppl saw it was balenced. great hero wit owing ult!!!

thats just how i roll

I actually love this idea... its totally original... yeah.. it might be imba to heroes who depend on attack alone for kills like razor... but then again.. u will get torn to shreds facing a hero like leshrac.. so i think its pretty balanced overall... and very innovative.. 10/10

i think this'll be a cheat... imagine: Keres vs. naix one-on-one, obviously keres would win because of his first skill will make him invulnerable especially when its a random game... What about other heroes who don't have direct damaging spells like raijin? slithice? syllabear?

I suggest you have etheral form the lvl 6 skill so that it can go well and can be turned on and off... with also the mana cost of say 200 to 220 not to be too powerful...

i dont like it because it makes some heroes absolutley useless and unable to do any dmg whatsoever to Keres. Could lead to many bad games, like if one team got all dps in an AR and one on the other team got Keres. gg right there. No other hero in dota makes any others completely useless against it. They would have to buy items just to do any dmg, which is bad. Drow would own it, though!

-repick command says you fail

I think he is overpowered.Especially if he was against troll, troll couldn't do anything. Otherwise very interesting, and i like him.

he is OP against troll and food for Lesh.
balances out, 1/3 heroes in DotA are Int heroes and can kill him in a couple of seconds at any stage of the game.
1/3 are non int with a or 2 nukes, these own him early.
1/3 get owned by him until they get dagon

very good alliest is with jahrakal la

Why isn't Luna in your list of Nasty Enemies?

She could pretty much one-shot you most of the game.

Also, I don't think Storm Spirit would necessarily be 'best enemy' consider his spell barrier essentially makes everyone IMMUNE TO YOUR HERO.

I'm not seeing Zeus either. A 135 dmg chain lightning every second is pretty gross, + static charge and he has no worries about being prudent getting near you.

In any case this hero is pretty radical and would end up off-setting the balance of the game. People would need to build strategies solely for destroying this hero, but unfortunately while doing so their enemies would take advantage of it.

His ball and aoe ulti would do way too much damage for a hero who doesn't have to worry about being auto-attacked. Unfortunately, this hero is basically easy mode.

Also, towers can't hurt you. There isn't a mechanic to make you immune to attacks but not tow.

Using your Constrict move on a large mid push of four of five heroes and about ten-fifteen creeps, then blowing them all up with your orbs and a stored spell would basically kill the entire enemy team/send them fleeing, and all their creeps.

A hero that can destroy the entire enemy team all at once without being auto-attacked is pretty ridiculous.

In short, seriously?

1/10.

and so we have tard flame, do you really want me to have a go at you?

see everyone else who tried?

how fast do you think zeus would die to you?
how about luna...
yeah she can kill you once every 2 minutes BIG FREEKING WHOOP

spell shield..
this hero number 1 was released before thunderkeg was implemented, second he can shield 1 person at a time and third omniknight is worse for you and omniknight can actually damage you.

in short i rate you as a person 1/10
because i can't go lower

sucks huh

Whad happens if ulti is passive, e.g. Centaur??? Does his ulti get spat back too...or..(insert another possibility here)and if hex gets absorbed, wad happens if it gets spat out? Overall creative hero, but a little imba.

Can i ask why Banehallow cant kill em' ?

very effective to late game heroes like FV, Troll or PA...too imba

You forgot the spellchurning bUUUtch named Lina on your enemy list :)

To note, I'm not sure if clinkz's fire arrows are considered physical, same being with Drow Ranger or any of the orbattack abilities (huskar, silencer, blablabla u get the idea). Drow can spam her frost arrows MANUALLY (hold shift, left click a bajillion times) on Enchantress without triggering enchant's slow, which makes me question the possibility of it being magic based.

Otherwise, very interesting. Hate to fight it
8/10

just read through some comments. Saw the orb agi heroes (AND HUSKAR NEVER FORGET HUSKY)

Just wanted to say, a drow frosting your ulti would kill it instantly, provided you haven't stored anything yet XD since it deals 0 damage, you would need to wait another 40 secs (on lvl 3) to regain your senses and re-store a new spell. Which would really kill if enemies have at least 1 orb-casting hero.

darkaqua - look either you don't get the first skill, or you don't get etheral.

Try using Pugna, cast decrepify on someone and see if you can attack it normally. Banehallow has 0 nuking skills, so you're either gonna stand there clicking on "you can't attack this target" or you're gonna buy dagons. Which anyone can.

Ghost, imo Nightcrawler(stalker) would be more scary compared to LoA. Void slows, Crippling silences. And void does HECK damage. 335+30% is 435, 1 night and you're dead XD

Sorry, one more thing. I just realised you don't have BKB on your list. Either it should be impossible for Keres to use BKB, or it should be impossible for Keres to use BKB. Linkern is fine cuz it's only 1 spell, but BKB takes away the ONLY MEANS of damaging your hero. While you argue BKB takes away your damage against other heroes, nobody should be invulnerable from EVERYTHING all at once. Except maybe for crows.

Yeah. sorry for so many comments :P

Sorry, one more thing. I just realised you don't have BKB on your list. Either it should be impossible for Keres to use BKB, or it should be impossible for Keres to use BKB. Linkern is fine cuz it's only 1 spell, but BKB takes away the ONLY MEANS of damaging your hero. While you argue BKB takes away your damage against other heroes, nobody should be invulnerable from EVERYTHING all at once. Except maybe for crows.

Yeah. sorry for so many comments :P

Sorry, one more thing. I just realised you don't have BKB on your list. Either it should be impossible for Keres to use BKB, or it should be impossible for Keres to use BKB. Linkern is fine cuz it's only 1 spell, but BKB takes away the ONLY MEANS of damaging your hero. While you argue BKB takes away your damage against other heroes, nobody should be invulnerable from EVERYTHING all at once. Except maybe for crows.

Yeah. sorry for so many comments :P

mm.. i think its unfair with the whole etheral thing. since some heroes dont have spells O_O. But other than that, nice hero :D

bestest???hahahahahhaha