Hand of Midas

Which neutral creep is the best to kill?

that lvl 25 dude next to the secret shop who can stun u and drops cheese obviously... but hes hard

how sarcastic of u lupeman...anyway i think the best neutral crep to kill it with is Centaur

Great item to have along with treads, or BOT. And yes, try using it on a centaur, you'll be amazed by how much gold your gonna get. =P

what hatebreed? he is the best neutral creep to kill. imagine the gold! btw u cant hav it with treads! P.S. how much gold do u get from the centuar?

why can't u have it with treads? doesnt the attack speed stack?

@k0rlsson,man this is %( HoM give u 30% Attack Speed so it doesn't stack )
Anyway good item xP ...

apart from the transmute skill... this is kind of gay cos u cant drop it either, powertreads do more. Powertreads = +65 Run Speed and +35% Attack Speed. thats definity better the 30% this gives u

centar

how much gold do the centuars give?

how bout the dragon??

the dragon is inmune to magic also Roshan the big golem it wont work on them duh

Anyways is only good for farming gold and thats it after that is useless

then how much can we get from centaur??thanks anyway for answering

never really counted but i think you can get about 100 plus gold...

thats not much.... the other neutrals give around half. powertreads more useful

OK YOU GUYS!!!! The attack speed stacks with treads!!!!!! I though you all new that!!!! Buy this item with people that benifit from last hitting creeps: Bloodseeker!!! Get 300 gold from centaur and like 400 health back!!! and also ALCHEMIST like 400 from centaur if you have been killing creeps before.

good 4 riki it gives additinal ASPD and an instant gold

this item is pretty buff all around, especially for permastun heroes like slardar and jahrakal, its easily gained in mid levels and an extra 30% attack speed is always a good thing when you're trying to stun.

Lol! for now it is only use when WTF mode gud item though!

Whats the problem why tinker can'y use it?! that stinks!

Tinker has Rearm, thats why you can't use Transmute I believe.

Tinker will be totally overpowered if he can use Midas. He can just go dissapear for like 30 mins, and then suddently come out with GODlike items and own everyone. Yes, you already got that, Transmute + Rearm = GODlike!!!

doom bringer... 2 creeps dies at once...
good item to counter battle hunger... ^^

is pt and hand of midas stack together

the transmute isnt even that good. i never see anyone buy this item unless they plan to get BoT with it too, but i dont see why they buy PT, its cheaper plus more attack speed. guess people just want the abilities that come with it

@Lupeman: dude u can buy powertreads too, if you want. The attackspeed stacks.

I am little confused on the Transmute part, is there a cooldown? Does it autocast? How is the amoung of gold determined, so in other words other than the attack speed, how does it work?

it is a spell, u throw it at a creep, it dies and gives u normal+bonus gold, and for cryn' out lowd the AS items stack, all of them, just try buyn 6 hyperstones

can transmute work on Holy Knight Chen's creeps?
I've tried it yest night and I couldn't.
The error msg was that I can't use it on a summoned creep. Anyone can verify this?

transmte works only on neutral creeps and creeps from lanes, not summoned. and also, hand of midas? not worth the gold, hyperstone is better. (i didnt say it didnt stack, i just said its not worth the gold just to get transmute when PT has higher attack speed and hyperstone has higher attack speed, butterfly would probably be better too, even though its only got 25% ASPD)

yes but with +25 agility it gives u 50 % AS , HOM can give u refunds, and in mid game u get u'r money back

i dont think HoM is worth it cos it cant be dropped and wastes a slot

actually, it CAN be dropped now. why would you compare this item with hyperstone anyway? would you buy hyperstone earlygame? this item is definately good early game but later on u might want to replace this with better items. or just keep it for transmuting creeps.

i havent got a chance to play the later maps yet.. which maps allows it so that this item can be dropped?

fun....but useless

pede bang mag sama ang HoM at BoT

I don't like farming items like this and Battlefury. If you get DPS instead, you can last hit very easily, thus saving 110 mana (for every 65 seconds??). Over 30 minutes (a very long time), this will probably give you around 1500 gold (30 creeps at an avg of 50 gold), if you use Transmute EVERY time. Not worth it, even with the IAS.

i HAVENT USED THIS ITEM SINCE I HAVE A FEELING ITS NOT WORTH IT.. HMMMM

Fun for stygwyr if you are in need of HP :).

This item OWNS MAN.!! Look at it. transmute!!! it owns for farming in -wtf mode. buy this and linken sphere. you are god. your position over god ^^ buy whatever u like

Transmute rocks! additional gold every 65 seconds? who doesn't like that????? i love this item!

@ Greedygood... battlefury is great and transmute gives bonus gold plus the amount of gold u would get from a creep... use it on centuars, u get like 120.

and lol... a good game with all pros will last over an hour, not 30 minutes :P

money! i like it!

one of the greatest early game items.
If it stacks with BoT .....MONEY

Nice on bloodseeker, good as a cheap counter to chen (except for satyr lvl 6 and dominated creeps).

before 6.42, HoM is good on all heroes who will benefit from the atspd it provides. why? because in a 60 minute, if you use transmute every time its cooled down, the gold you'll get will be more than the price of HoM. in effect, you'll have a free atskspd increase.

however, in 6.42, games now only last about 45 mins due to the increase in number of creeps. 45 mins aint enough to get your gold back.

oh..i believe you will get about 230 gold when you transmute a centaur.

Hand of Midas has a favourite owner... It's name is Bloodseeker! I dun really noe y but when u transmute a creeps doesnt it means juz changing it 2 another form? I wonder y its considered a kill. Btw a gd counter for axe's gay (or not since HoM) battle hunger.
Well, does any1 use this for normal sentinel/scourge creeps? well i dun, its juz not worth it, unless u and ur teamates are doin a major push and every 1 of ur teamates has HoM...hahas, u can say byebye to 1 wave.

when playing WTF mode, get this at once! hahahaha

Due to the short length of games nowadays, it's best (if you want Midas) to rush for one before minute 20. Otherwise i'm afraid it won't help you. BTW Doombringer doesn't need Midas since his devour is much better.

u throw a golden bottle lolz

cool for doom -->transmute+devour --> mass gold

it is a very expensive item

Expensive indeed. Of all lvl 1 items, BoT is more expensive than midas. If it is so expensive it's strange that many ppl can save up for a demon edge/reaver, each costing more than a midas itself.

i want to tell smt for this item!it sucks!only this!every time i make it then i think that i dont even have taken back my 1400 gold i give for it!so i just use the faster attack

centaur khan is best to kill as the avg. transmute bounty is 236 gold

If you think about it, in terms of gold per attack speed, its cheaper than Hyperstone (cos of transmute)

tis is the gd item against chen,enchantress,axe

i d0nt really understand....what is transmute?????the other ses dat midas is cannot used by tinker,,,the other said that tinker is overpowered when he used this item.

they r sayin that if tinker could use it, he would abuse the transmute ability.

transmute - turns enemies to gold, there's a computation there but I forgot

this item really helps farmers and pushers alike, one creep killed by hand of midas = bonus gold, and one enemy creep killed = slightly faster push, and this item costing 2000 gold gives you approximately 150 gold every creepwave, so counting only the transmute you can get your money back after killing 14 creeps with hand of midas, and you have a free 30% atk spd and a bonus transmute and comparing this to hyperstone?? hyperstone gives 55% atk spd and that's all, and it costs 450 gold more than hand of midas

The database is just outdated. Tinker can use this item but he can't rearm it. That's all.

Good for naix? coz naix always does the neutral creeppings..

how the hell is it good against chen??? wtf r u saying? it's good against axe, and it's very good FOR alchemist and blooseeker.

Chen depends on creeps, and midas kills creeps on the spot. WTF R U SAYING? HOW THE HELL IS THIS GOOD VS AXE?

THIS IS TRULY CALLED "TALKING SHIT".

Oh yeah just try it with the FALCON easy easy money


hehehe!!! my doom with devour first have taras at lvl9

if u use it on centaurs/furbolg ursas every 90 seconds u will gain about 2.5 gold/second
great for non mana dependent heros who need to farm alot = naix obviously

btw that equals to 3000 gold 20 mins after u get hom
ppl dont have time to go find centaurs late game so 3000 is what u probably get back

THIS ITEMS ARE FOR NOOBS...
YEAH EVERYONES HAPPY OF GETTING ADDITIONAL GOLD EVERY 65 SECONDS!!!

WHAT THE HECK!! WHY??? CAN'T "MONEYSHOT" ANY CREEPS? CMON THATS 2 CREEPS AWAY! THAT 1610 GOLD TO BUY MIDAS CAN BE USED TO BUY A MYTHRIL HAMMER... THEN YOU CAN GET MORE GOLD!

OR IF YOU LIKE, BUILD AN ARCANE RING WHICH IS 200 GOLD AWAY. IF YOUR HERO IS CHEN, YEAH CAST TEST OF FAITH ON CREEPS, THAT WAY YOULL GET EXTRA GOLD EVERY COOLDOWN OF YOUR ARCANE RING! EVEN TRY ARCANE FOR SLARDAR, SLYTH CRUSH THE CREEPS SO YOULL GET EXTRA GOLD!

ITS A WASTE OF GOLD... AND A WASTE OF INVENTORY SLOT...

IT COUNTERS AXE BECAUSE IT CANCEL'S AXE'S BATTLE HUNGER...

THIS ITEMS ARE FOR NOOBS...
YEAH EVERYONES HAPPY OF GETTING ADDITIONAL GOLD EVERY 65 SECONDS!!!

WHAT THE HECK!! WHY??? CAN'T "MONEYSHOT" ANY CREEPS? CMON THATS 2 CREEPS AWAY! THAT 1610 GOLD TO BUY MIDAS CAN BE USED TO BUY A MYTHRIL HAMMER... THEN YOU CAN GET MORE GOLD!

OR IF YOU LIKE, BUILD AN ARCANE RING WHICH IS 200 GOLD AWAY. IF YOUR HERO IS CHEN, YEAH CAST TEST OF FAITH ON CREEPS, THAT WAY YOULL GET EXTRA GOLD EVERY COOLDOWN OF YOUR ARCANE RING! EVEN TRY ARCANE FOR SLARDAR, SLYTH CRUSH THE CREEPS SO YOULL GET EXTRA GOLD!

ITS A WASTE OF GOLD... AND A WASTE OF INVENTORY SLOT...

IT COUNTERS AXE BECAUSE IT CANCEL'S AXE'S BATTLE HUNGER...

naix still gains EXP if he kills with Transmute.
its not good against axe, which axe is stupid enough to battle hunger on a creep? heroes cannot be transmuted

Posted by lupeman
2007-08-18
naix still gains EXP if he kills with Transmute.
its not good against axe, which axe is stupid enough to battle hunger on a creep? heroes cannot be transmuted
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geeeeezzzz!!!!!!
LUPEMAN THIS IS HOW HANDS OF MIDAS COUNTERS AXE ... STEP BY STEP SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND... GEEEEZZZZ

1. AXE CASTS BATTLE HUNGER ON YOUR HERO
2. YOU THINK (BH CAN BE DISPELLED ONCE YOU KILL A CREEP, A HERO, DENIED YOUR CREEPS, OR JUST KILL ANYTHING EVEN YOUR ENEMY'S CHICKEN!)
3. YOU USE TRANSMUTE TO KILL A CREEP AND POOF!!! AXE'S BATTLE HUNGER IS DISPELLED! GOT IT?

LUPEMAN=
naix still gains EXP if he kills with Transmute.

SO? HE'LL STILL GET XP IF HE DOESN'T KILL WITH TRANSMUTE... WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

like its that hard to kill a nearby neutral creep.
Lvl 2 Satyr
Lvl 2 Centuar
Lvl 2 Ogre
Lvl 1 + 2 Kobolds

and that transmute idea is stupid. unless ur stupid enough to go to an ancient respawn point, all neutrals r easy to kill, even non-ancient golems. i can safely assume that axe will use battlehunger at around lvl 6 to ensure a kill/harassin.

btw, please add my email because i enjoy ur stupid ranting
da_richest_hobo@yahoo.com.au

and look for me on USA west for richest_hobo. i will be the one who is owning ur ass. i hav a banlist waitin for u if u play shit.

It's a silly idea to think this counters axe. To be exact midas only counters battle hunger every 65 seconds. Battle hunger cd is 25 sec so what are you going to do at the 50th second after using up transmute? And how is midas going to counter berserker's call, helix and culling blade? That's why I said, how is this a counter to axe?

@caspian I don't think it's 25 secs(the cooldown).I think it's liek 14 or 10... dunno exactly.

whts the gold u can get fromkilling a enemy creep? whts transmute

I think this is the most useless item
it'll be good if the cooldown and manacost are reduced. Or maybe this item is used to make another new item.

hands of midas is not buying enougn because its cooldown is really long and so 20 games out of 100 uses hand of midas.....make its cooldown a little low say 45secs???

i prefer hyperstone...

This is the most controversive item ever been in DotA I think
here are some Pros and Cons

+
Throughout the Game you can nearly get it for free by using it often (50 mins using will make approx. the gold spent)

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ATS isn't worth the Money...

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low mana cost

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can't be combined with e.g. power treads
what nearly forces u to buy BoT, making
the gold gotten back nearly useless

+
nice early game pushing

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usenseless in late game (the ATS is still good the transmute isn't worth
it)

omfg what a noob site , when i see "IAS DONT STACK THATS% " LOL U SHOULD BE BANNED FOR TALKSHIT LIKE THAT

Midas = item to make before 15mn , but when u have it u gonna farm like no one O.O
in 15 mn u get ur money back + 30 free ias + free transmute and can sell item if needed.

i wondered at comments like "get mirthil hammer or better items , midas sux !" lol'd.

as i said midas = free gold , if it was noob item , why does merlini use it?

the best nutral is the pandas and wow gold pours in $$$$$$$$$

uM,,thiS item rockS!!!
specially for juggy,and luNa,,
dont attack the wizard,when the hero and the wizard is left,midas the crrep ang omnislash/eclipse = pwnage!!!

i get this for medusa SOMETIMES like if i get first blood.

the best creep to kill is the lvl 5 furbolg, gives about 190. all other gold estimates are incorrect. 400 gold every 100 sec? if u play a half an hour that would be 7200 gold (1800 secs, 18 times every 30 min, 18*400). Theres a rapier in itself without u killing one creep or hero.

This item is for noob that don know how to farm well.. Gagaga

are you guys kidding me? this items pays for itself and more early game. Think about it, u can sell the damn thing for half of its price later anyways. Plus you dont waste time killing tougher neutrals. I would sell this item sometime in mid game or if I still have the slot, why not keep it?

i gots a question first ppl from above have be saying that atk speed stacks and it also dont stack ...witch is it !?!?

also would this be good on tiny...only if the atk spd stacks id consider getting it

i gots a question first ppl from above have be saying that atk speed stacks and it also dont stack ...witch is it !?!?

also would this be good on tiny...only if the atk spd stacks id consider getting it

i gots a question first ppl from above have be saying that atk speed stacks and it also dont stack ...witch is it !?!?

also would this be good on tiny...only if the atk spd stacks id consider getting it

Does this work on Hydra?

this item works with anybody. Altho I prefer to use it on range characters or invis characters

this hero is amazing fr assistanse heros lke squek and spleen scins that hero never actualy dies he just gathers gold fr his allies and ruins the other teams life

i ment item sorry

I found it good for void

@lupeman: remember that cheese is only 3rd time. Just a reminder
it would be satyr hellcaller, but hes too high. centaur.

the only way to toast chen to his knees is putting midas and dominator on doom!!! 3 centaurs down on an instant! transmute, dominate the 2nd and devour the 3rd!!! hahaha

@ OceanPwntage, why did u reply to a post i made a year ago? (i knew that it dropped cheese afta the third, but roshan is crap now.)

I want to be able to Transmute lvl 6 Dragon, but its magic immune and too high, Roshan, but too high and Granite Golem, but its too high.

I wonder why Icefrog didn't let you transmute lvl 6. its nearly same amount of money you would get from the centuar

I USED THIS ITEM ONES ON BROOD MOTHER, THEN MIDAS BOY WAS BORN LOL!

what can I do whit it in late/mid game, is stupid if i can´t dropp off this item and lose a slot

reduce 65 sec cooldown to 30 sec

the centaur gives 200+ gold if you use the

hand of midas... i already tried it..... so meny times..

why tinker could not use this item!!

why tinker could not use this item!!

does it worth it to spend 2000?

what? cannot it be used by Boush?

this is good. this item is nice to be used with phantom lancer

For me, the cooldown needs to be reduced in order for this item to be worth the money.

its best for harbringer early game...

what happens if you transmute an infested creep?

Tell u sth lupeman, its stupid to use it just as a counter to axe but what u said is really crap.

Quote:
its not good against axe, which axe is stupid enough to battle hunger on a creep? heroes cannot be transmuted

And why cant u buy it with PT? For bloodseeker, why cant u buy both?
Why compare HOD with PT?? You didnt even consider the skill it have. Killing a high lvl creep saves u time, and without losing hp and lots of xp

i honestly think this is one of the most under appreciated items all game. i usually tell ppl that this item is uber early-mid on clinkz. u get gold and as. wats better than that it helps alot so u can get all the essential items for clinkz. but its still uber. i like it on clinkz but i also use it on enigma now so i i can get guinsoo hella faster

@sfsy1.....you have no idea what you are talking about...do you even know what battle hunger does?

the point lupeman was trying to make was that when axe hits u with a lvl 4 battle hunger and you have to run for your life...you can just kill a neutral creep (ending the battle hunger)

....and as for my own opinion on the item....great for bloodseeker when combined with passive but not worth the price + slot because its good early game...and you're much better off buying boots than this...

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and by boots i mean power treads (char limit...couldn't finish )

its not that hard to last hit creeps anyway. can convert lvl 6 creeps, NICE

this will be gud for the str hero

this will be gud for the str hero

tinker can't use it to prevent him abusing it by Rearm. Same reason he can't use Refresher's and Necromicon

In the 6.51 changelog, they say it works on level 6 creeps now.

Imagine if u use ginsoos, will it turn a hero to a creep? then we can transmute them...

if you are going to get some expensive item, HoM is a best item to reach your goals, as you will get your money back after killing just 10 creeps, imagine the attack speed it gives at early and mid game which stacks with PT, below you can see example of gold income by using HoM

HoM gives you experince same as killing that creep + bonus gold which is as below;
Enraged wild kin L5 = 270
Satyr hell caller L6 = 270
Dark troll warlord L6= 235
Cenatur khan L5 = 220
ogre magi L3 = 175
alpha wolf L4 = 140
gnoll assassin = 120
giant wolf L3=110

and undead creeps
ghoul with 560 Hp = 130
necomancer 310hp-300mana =150

i noticed that the gold we earn depends on total hp and mana not the level of creep

quick question....is the gold u get with it worth the original price and the lame 65 sec cooldown...?and how much can u sell it to a shop for? seeing as it can't be dropped i figured the only way to free up space again would be to sell it back...

good item for phantom lancer?

what does transmute do???

115 By dupnitzabg 2008-02-19

i get it too but wad he mean by this:
its not good against axe, which axe is stupid enough to battle hunger on a creep? heroes cannot be transmuted
Transmute a hero? Cast on Creep? Not good againsr Axe? i tot lupeman meant it cancels BH?? (accordig to u)

it tells you what transmute does....
it instantly kills a creep (level 5 max), and gives you the gold you would normally get if u killed it, then bonus gold on top of that.

lvl 6 is max now

124, ur answer is
of course you can sell it and of course you can drop it, the meaning can not be dropped means, when you used HoM in the duration of cooldown (65s) you cant drop it so another player can pick it up and use it, but after the cooldown u r free to sell it or drop it, that's why i said it worth to buy it, u buy for 1950 gold and can earn some nice free gold with peace of mind which you cant get that amount by killing d creep.later u can sell it for 975 gold 2 freeup a slot

is this works on chen's persuased creeps or dominated creeps (helm)

This item is so underrated, but really, getting hand of midas seriously depends on the hero you are using. If you can farm Midas for like 10-15 mins into the game, then go for it, if you cant, then dont bother. And for the love of God, the attack speed stacks. >.< You can buy this with treads, butterfly, hyperstone >.

HAHA, the most broken item on WTF mode (Helm of the Dominator is stupid)!!!

where is the centur in the map?

Lol does it convert creeps to gold???? How that work??

Actually get rosh u fuckin noobs!!!!!!!!! not centaur comments 1,3,4 lmao.

Wait i dont think you can lol!!!!!!!

i really dont like this item

The second best farming item, radiance is the best! best the 100sec cooldown really sucked

ok...this item isn't that much a counter for axe...but what about naix?
i mean, when you're strong enough to beat him, well...he uses his ult on the closest creep and *poof* he disappears and a few secons later is back to full health...but what if u transmute that creep? isn't that an instant kill?

anyway...not that i will use it since i think that midas is a piece of crap...just wondering what others thought about this

mirana mirana mirana mirana mirana mirana mirana irana mirana mirana mirana mirana mirana mirana try try try try try try

@comment 139
nope it isn't an instant kill you kill the creep and naix pops out simple really

Ok for the retarded n00bs please stop posting how good an item will be in WTF mode please wtf requires no strategy and its not real dota. Its for spammer tards.

Having said that I think this item is 50/50 for me I think im up agaisnt a hero that counters mine and im having trouble farming the lane then it'd benefit but I rarely get it.

beter of buyin treads aye. transmute helps in pushing as well belvie it or not.

NOTHING STACKS!!! (except regen items) it diminshes...so 2 cranium bashers won't give 15%+15% stun it will probably give 15%+15%-5% stun...

Is a good item because it gives you attack speed and you can make gold whith creeps

does it stack with mask of madness?

hye is it gud for silencer.........plz tell me plz im learnibg silencer rite now

its a good item for every1.... 30% AS + gold to farm it back.. GG

to bad it can't be used for roshan.

Actually the best creep to kill (especially with hands of midas) is the
BIG Satyr.

sorry of Satyr is not the best of course Roshan is but everyone already knows that.

For me, its not about getting the money back. Its about killing a high lv neutral creep early game very fast for very fast XP. You can obviously kill neutrals earlier than other heroes. This means you get higher LV faster. Think outside the box...

will this stack with treads or bot??