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Err Can Somebody Answer This : ( Somebody Like Steve-O or yukino_silvermaine or Orochi or drew or quickbrownfox )
What Does Redemption Do ?

Redemption? I've got to try this out. Looks powerful. At last, a recipe that has Soulbooster and Perseverance. :D

Redemption:

-If the bearer dies, he restores 450 HP/400 Mana to nearby allies. (stack = 40 max)
-The hero gains EXP and vision of the area where he died until he revives.
-Hero will respawn 20% faster and lose 40% less gold.
-If the item has no charges, the on-death bonus will be cut in half.
-Charges are gained/lost by killing heroes/dying.

just a good improvement of soulbooster

well at least you can buy this for fragile heroes with a purpose (redemption) and not only for soul booster

great, just great, my favourite is the not loseing so much money part

another of the imbalanced new items. all of them rock too hard, icefrog forgot his nerfstick somewhere...

double mekanism upon death, uber revive and gold death bonuses, and is made out of items many caster heros get anyway... this is going to be abused.

Great for Goblin Techies

also a good item

Amazing for Omniknight, makes you the ultimate support healer along with Mek.

Bloodstone is my favorite item! Assualt Curiass is a close second but this item is the best for any hero that needs range!

Less gold lost, experience while dead, quicker respawn, cool. This is great on heroes like Axe and Pudge who come back weak after a kill. Anyone know if this will work with Techies' Suicide?

I agree, great for caster heroes. Careful though if you have Perseverance in your inventory and you decide to form Aghanim's... Buying Soul Booster will automatically form this. Even if you have Mystic Staff in your inventory, Bloodstone will be formed instead of Aghanim's.

great!!!

great!!!

You can still undo this item at the Circle of Power, so it´s of no consequence if you want to use the Soul Booster to form Aghanim´s. Actually, it´s very useful if you´re going to make a Refresher later, since you need Perseverance for that. This will allow you to farm the gold faster.

Sweet , Fav Item Now
Hey Does It Stack With Dazzle's Ulti ? If It Does Sweet My Level 25 Heroes Are Now Gonna Live Faster Than the Speed of Light ! ( Not )

whoa, add this with agess

doesnt it make more sense to post what redemption does up there, drew?

one thing about redemption:

cool!!!!

Techies goes kaboom mid game every few minutes with this. No fear suicide! Finally!

This would be great for techies, makes him an even better support hero. Not only should he be able to build up charges, he can turn around a push with suicide+heal.

Probably best for intellect heroes who don't need ahganims.

aghnems sceptor all the way!!

oh my... bloodstone... more kills = more charge!! hahaha... yeah great for techies... =P

damn redemption is good, i love this knew version except for aegis. anyways, did roshan get weaker because i killed him with a lvl 18 axe with battlefury, power treads, heart, heart(2), and satanic(soloing)

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Less gold lost, experience while dead, quicker respawn, cool. This is great on heroes like Axe and Pudge who come back weak after a kill.

= I doesnt really understand, why its great for Axe?

Thx for answering...

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Less gold lost, experience while dead, quicker respawn, cool. This is great on heroes like Axe and Pudge who come back weak after a kill.

= I doesnt really understand, why its great for Axe?

Thx for answering...

does the Redemption stack with king leorics recarnation?

what is redemption??

Waste of gold. 5k gold spent for minor bonuses, and the ones that activate when you die don't make up for its initial cost. Only viable purpose for it is techies.

Good for int Hero, or I should say "good for Earthshaker player?"

great for leshrac

works with technies effectively, stacks with shadow priests ulti

Hmmmmm good for weakies like death prophet an Kotl!!!!!!!!!!!! will make them awesome!!!!!!!

This does overpower Techies by a lot, since suiciding is part of the lil guy's strat. I am ok with all of it except for the fact that you can gain exp in the area in which you died. That too me needs to be cut out, everything else does make sense.

I'm going to have to say this item isn't worth the effort. While soul booster is a great item on alot of heroes (especially intel...), I fail to see the extra 1.8k investment of perserverance worth while. In all honesty, by the time you get this, the hp/mana regen isn't all that useful.

But if you are playing martyr, or a fragile int who must be in the middle of battle (leshrac, visage, techies, etc) then its O.K. I still prefer Scepter, as it adds damage (through ult and intel).

It might be costly but it certainly works well on pudge. Extra health is always a good bonus as well as the regen and the extra mana/mana regen allows you to use non-stop hooks and dismembers. Redemption is just an added bonus.

what is redemption?

this item rocks!!

I wan that!!

@rain9441, Redemption is very very very very much worth the gold. at mid/late game, this is one of ur best items

What is REDEMPTION?
Explain please in details!!!!

Redemption:

-If the bearer dies, he restores 450 HP/400 Mana to nearby allies. (stack = 40 max)
-The hero gains EXP and vision of the area where he died until he revives.
-Hero will respawn 20% faster and lose 40% less gold.
-If the item has no charges, the on-death bonus will be cut in half.
-Charges are gained/lost by killing heroes/dying.

Just like Drew said nearr the biginning you butt nuggets. read up!! Also, I haven't tried this yet. I think it looks good.

I think every player will buy this item.
A must!!!

This is a favorable item for int heros like zeus because i usually get persi then soul booster and then decide to get refresher or aghanim's first, plus it has the ability of redemption which helps to earn money and support ally heros.(it can still be disassembled at the circle of power)

it is nice for meepo

Honestly, I like it, but it's WAY too good. Same with cuirass, but especially this one. It doesn't seem like it's that good, until you try it. Especially when you get 9 charges. Saw someone get it with Aiushtha, then he got the new cuirass, and it was game over. He took all of us on at once. WITH AIUSHTHA! Now, I'll be the first one to say that I'm not always getting mega kills, and I'll tip my hat to anyone that can out-strategize and outplay me. But this was rediculous. Not even fun. I agree with illadelph and everyone else that this item is way too good. And to think that they took away aegis, because they thought it was unfair, then give us these items?

Wat 'bout Dazzle, Shadow Priest???
This'll work perfectly!

At last, an item made for noob/feeder/piggybank players now their deaths will not be that bad

prolly the best item ever for Harbinger the Obsedian Destroyer! 2 of these + aghanim in a well-played, decently long game and he will own!

^why 2 of these? Aghanims has higher hp and mana cap and more intel, but dont hav the regen rate. (cept from the +30% mana regen from intel)

Only buy the soul booster for harbringer. I mean, why the hell would you need mana regen for obsidian?

nice item and not to cosy

to many bugs in 3.42 also the free item shop!!!

The only hero this is was really made for is tinker well thats what I think.

this is good for int heroes

Answer To Rhasta's & Lina's Problem

QUESTION: with the vision and xp gain using meepo. Does this item grant these bonuses to every single meepo? so say if you have one meepo in one lane and one meepo in another. would you get vision and xp for both areas or only where the main meepo died?

i LOVE this item!

this is dazzles shallow grave on steroids it makes him obsolete....

Dont think it will work on all meepos since the copies dont carry the item.

Which gives more hp, Bloodstone or HoT?

Which gives more hp, Bloodstone or HoT?

lol item

@ming_tea
HoT will definitely give more HP as it add +35 str plus 300Hp ...while bloodstone only grants 450HP...

To Freshmaker: only where the real Meepo died.
Well, Jesus, guys. Once again you miss the real opportunity with this item. Harbinger benefits from the regen and mana boost like no other, making his orb effect that much stronger.

i got a question .. what does the redemtion do ?

i got a question .. what does the redemtion do ?

look at the 3rd comment
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Im fukin retarted... i cant find perserverance anywhere

you get perseverance by having ring of health and void stone in your inventory
( Recipe shop level 1 )

were did the +7 damage go very dissapointing

BEST ITEM FOR TECHIES! suicide like crazy without having to wait for long respawn time

its expensive.

ya ho,the damage's gone!

Redemption reduce your revive time and gold lost when you dead. You gain /lose charges by killing /dying.

ns item

Why NS item?

Ohh...crap. They removed the +7 damage. UNFAIR!!

Better then heart i rkn

what the hell is redemption?

i guess this item is rocks!!!!! hero with less HP can gain more n more HP n mana....(like Zeus,Pugna and Bone Clinxz)
n if u get kill ur friend will get 450-500 HP from u and the best part is the place where u get kill will be reveal until u get resurrect

This item is good if you're owning but it would be better if it grants TRUE SIGHT

people who say its good for Harbinger, its not. this item doesnt grant intel for his ulti, stackin aghanim is the most intel item. too strong this item, first person to get this in a game GG.

is dis item betta den heart?

i totally like this item!!!

so expensive id rather buy soul booster only to make staff

One question. If you got a staff and perseverance and then you went and get soulbooster which item do you get? Blood or scepter? Can u dismantle blood to get scepter later?

scepter will be created since its more expensive except in a chicken you'll have the bloodstone and no you cannot dismantle it

what the heck
does this really work for techies? does a suicide count as a death and therefore subract a charge? if it doesnt, techies suiciding strat becomes that much more pwnage

a good technies dont rely on suicide cept as a double/triple kill thing or escape death.
lol chicken with bloodstone, once they die, its over for them :P

what does the charges do???

what does the charges do???

charges = how many times u can use it

Goblin Techies needs this item

does a suicide count as a death and therefore subract a charge?

no matter wat techies rocks wif this item

For wich heroes are this a good item??

Squee and Spleen, but a good techies player will never need to suicide to escape death or get kills.
Dazzle, it stacks with the ulti
Heroes which aren't great at farming but specialise in ganking benefit from this usually intel heroes. (Why? You gain exp in that area until you respawn.)
High DPS but low HP
Any pr0 who knows how to play all characters

this item is for goblin techies...

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redemption is cool because you can still gain exp even when you are pawned...

Is this good combined with skeleton king(reincarnation) or aegis?

This doesnt work if you have Aegis. Skeleton King doesn't gain any exp until he is actually killed, without a reincarnate charge.

cool item! looks powerful!

this item makes ur allies abandon you lol

i hardly see anyone use this item i dont bother either pretty useless.

cos this item doesnt grant any damage thats why. some people find it too expensive just for regen and no damage given

This item is wayyy to expensive! The Money Is Better Spent On S&Y oR Satanic..but for 5075..it not worth it

What does an "on-death bonus" at the third statement mean?

"If the item has no charges, the on-death bonus will be cut in half"

does it mean we will have less money while we die?

they should make this item undroppable (but it cant be dismantled, BAH), ive seen people give their bloodstones to heroes who r about to die and end up respawnin 10 seconds later

This will be halved if this item has no charges
-Hero will respawn 20% faster and lose 40% less gold.
Half is
-Hero will respawn 10% faster and lose 20% less gold.

gd item for lone druid' bear coz if the bear die,the mr.syalla will not losing hp.....

does it improves cooldown?

super lupet" now dota get's very interesting

redemption: lose less gold, get vision of area where u died w/ tru sight (REALLY GOOD)

Drew should update this item... Every charge that the bloodstone has, your mana and health cap increases. Read the log.

IS THE THING CALLED A BLOOD RUNE?
Sorry I had to answer that in my guide... is the Rune thing called a Blood Rune? Just so I know...

I am shocked at all these 'great for Techies/Suicide' comments. Suicide is for early use only - once you have Mines, avoid having to resort to Suicide. Read my Techies Guide, I only mention it in about 20-30 comments. I should probably put some info on that in the actual guide, its gettin too much now...

Charges on Bloodstone will work great for Techies though. Seeing as you will have gigantic sprees. Just... don't get it for Suicide.

i think its just me, but i saw a techies player get him this item, then i noticed that techies name got changed to bloodrune as well... m i seeing this or do u guys see it too?

people usually only suicide for triple kills at late game, thats about it, usually. suicide only ensures first blood and additional 200 gold.

btw, Shimrra_3. i have read ur techies guild b4, how do u convert the warcraft screenshots into jpegs? i cant view mine.

@ lupeman = you need a picture hosting site, such as Photobucket or Imageshack (Photobucket sucks now though, it ate my screenies). The thing is the URL you need to paste - that has to be from a website.

Why OffT, ask me in my guide next time (o0)

buang buang duit

I got Perseverance and later after that the Soulbooster.
Still, the bloodstone doesnt pop out


help please!!!!!!

Rahouani....when u have all the items go to a shop near ur fountain...its is the NEW RECIPES...the shop contains like 8 recipes...press on the bloodstone and u will have it but it needs some gold!!!

Hehe just kidding...when u have the stuff it should directly pop out...i think ur map have a bug :D

u buy this for lanaya..total owning

I haven't really ever seen this item be particually usefull, its kinda helpfull sometimes... maybe... but there is definetely much better items that could hold take its place in your inventory.

when death prophet uses ulti, she becomes the target of the enemy usually. her ulti does quite a bit so its best that she has bloodstone.

great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!great for getting money and good for int. type.

thats cos this items not of any great use unless u know ur goin to get megastreaks or plan on dyin a lot.
what ive always wanted to try is get a bloodstone and deny an allied hero. would i still get the charge?

Lol lupeman-you won't. It's like denying a tower-do you get gold?

good for techies

i havent familiarised myself with items/heroes from 6.43b+ yet. not many opportunities i hav had to use the new items. i pretty much still stick with the old items

goblin techies rockss in this item!

stacks with shadow priest's last skill

This is definitely a bad idea for heroes who need Aghanim's to improve their ults. Getting Bloodstone before Aghanim's would seriously impair their effectiveness as time passes, and getting a Bloodstone second would take too long, game would be over before half of it was assembled.

I can't justify this item, 5k for an item that gives no damage? no attack speed? No Armor? Every other level 2, 3, and 4 item gives SOME sort of attack speed/damage/armor... If you need 450 HP get some bracers or a heart or a vanguard...

Hey drew, where did you get the info regarding Redemption?

good for those who sacrifices alot, aka techis, veno, venge

what is imba?

if i play techies this item is great why
1. Mana reg. is great for mining area
2. Late game mines become useless and u
have to suicide alot, but you lose less
gold and gain exp and vision of where u
died

Mines are not useless late game cause at 3rd level the remote mines are devastating, but need lots of mana, and so bloodstone really is good for tieches

This Item is Ubber got my first Triple kill with it last night(Rhasta) after getting it while actually going for the Aghanim. Had 8 charges on it and Furion, Boneclinks and keeper of the light couldn't do a thing to me with there Base tower also in contact. Note we were all lvl 23 or above. Massive Regeneration, so i was wondering can anyone tell me by how much do the regeneration increase for each charge?

GOOD FOR MEDUSA HP AND MANA REGEN AND POOL WILL INCREASE + U DONT HAVE TO GO TO FOUNTAIN IN MAKING THIS ALL ITEMS ARE BUYABLE IN SECRET SHOP =)

try it also with dirge instead of HoT

Good for Riki !!!

TRY IT FOR DIRGE

No one seems to have mentioned that the more charges, the more regen...4-5 charges, is 20 or so hp a sec

hola evrybody.. i`m new here,,,
please tell me about this thing..
coz i thing BLOODSTONE is SUCK!!!

hola evrybody.. i`m new here,,,
please tell me about this thing..
coz i think BLOODSTONE is SUCK!!!

bloodstone is not the best item you can get... 5k just for that little bonus? you might as well get a refresher or earn a bit more for heart

can this use for loa

One of the best items in the game.

figo

You have to really die a lot to find this useful IMO (aren't you just a feeder in that case?).I think that the 5k could be used on something more useful too. Also I don't think people would die just to heal their allies for 450hp and 400 mana. Just not worth it IMO.

this is very good for "Squee and Speen" goblin techies because they have the suicide attack and if they have the bloodstone they won't have to sit in the pen for as long in the later levels.

It's basically an item for heroes with double, or triple killing skills like akasha, lich etc since their ultis can do serious damage to multiple enemies.

6 bloodstones = 60% shorter revive
Shallow Grave = 60% shorter revive
6 bloodstones + shallow grave = revived roughly 20 sec. before you're killed. Sweet!

Rarlly seen ingame as 5k is a lot and can be used for other items.
Why not buy something that gives dmg and kill people rather then get this and revive faster after you get killed?

Do not forget that it increases survivability since it gives a lot of HP and mana

Redemption is good cause when u kill u get
more of the item's benefit if u are godlike it's 12 charges I did get a godlike on warlock in lan game I didn't even die not a single time coz of the support of mana and life it's 2 on 2 SK doesn't even help just backstab sometimes we 2 on 1 on mid I win even they have creeps really good item trust me I prefer this to people who get tarrasque for agi and int heroes but if str you will be better off with tarrasque. don't flame when disagree

hey guys wat happens when u have more stacks????

and if there is no charges what does it mean when "on-death bonus will be cut in half?"

adolf hitler will raise from death and make the german reich win! sieg heil!

Excellent for heroes like pudge or techies. But actually, this item has synergy with ANY hero

dazzle doesnt really need it. he can use it, but only if he doesnt ulti himself and plays full out support on tanks/killers/pushers

dazzles ulti = revives at 20% of the time and loses no gold.

so at lvl 25 with ulti on, u revive in 20 seconds and lose 0 gold.
at lvl 25 with ulti and bloodstone, u revive in 19 seconds and lose 0 gold.

then again...
-If the bearer dies, he restores 450 HP/400 Mana to nearby allies.

even afta dazzle dies, he still heals people.

Hero will respawn 20% faster and lose 40% less gold.
at 25, without dazzles ulti at all, u revive in 80 seconds and lose 40% less gold.

why is mana regen only 110? perseverance is 125
where did the extra +7 damage go?
but redemption is still beast

what is the use of the bloodstone's charges?

Now it gives 200% mana regen and 6 hp/sec regen, and when you die you restore some hp and mana to nearby allies + of course the redemption

PLEASE FIX THIS ITEM. Perserverence now gives 125% mana increase,and 10 damage, so should this.

i can't really understand this item...

Look you people are getting too hung up on the whole come back to life quicker part. In terms of regen this is one of the best items. for a int or agil hero who gets lots of kills this is better than HoT. you get 450hp, 400mana, 200% mana regen and 6hp/sec regen. BUT for each charge you get +2hp/mp per sec. oh and for the first kill while holding this you get 2 charges.
so kill 4 heroes=5charges=16hp/sec and 200% mana regen+10mp/sec. the only item that gets better as you pwn more.

Perfect item for Pudge together with HoD, BoT and Radiance.

Y! this needs fixing!
At least 125% mana regen or more.
i think dmg is not needed.

I see that you still don't get it the item IS FIXED; but the info here is outdated

hp and mana wise...this is the item to buy

not that good unless your pudge or a hero who can mass kill every one right

Does Redemption work when Skeleton King dies with revive on?If it does, this would be a FANTASTIC item for him.

I think this item is meant for lategamers, when you farm easily like shit ( Alchemist, Magnus, e.t.c ).It's worth it because most of these heroes get their kills late game and It won't be so expensive later.Furthermore, at level 16 - 25 respawning takes a massive ammount of time in dota.This item helps a lot.Agree?

this is kinda imba but it owns

this is the AGILITY and INTELIGENCE's answer to heart of tarrasque. this adds mana and hp as well as the awesome redemption skill. cheaper than heart and for Intel heroes, better.

wat this item do??? it will be good for ka'el to? tell us...

Yes, it is now possible to be a suicide techies that levels up as fast as allies. Otherwise, this item is a bit too expensive. Its like buying a 40,000 hybrid to save 1000 of gas each year. I think its better to just be careful, not push recklessly, and just be a support hero if thats wehat your HP/skills dictate you should be, and buy, say guisnoos instead. Maube then a skadi.

If you're a squishy hero killer that is dependent on mana, then I think this is a pretty good item.

Each time you kill a hero you get another charge, and if you have more charges, then the effects stack!

sure a nice item..but waste 5k on this on 5v5 game???awts
no thanks......

bloodstone + rikimaru = victory

holy cow rikimaru is a killing mashine and if he has bloodstone he is undefeatable/unbeatable

to tell u the truth bloodstone reminds me linken sphere a bit

I don't know why some people don't see the usefulness of this item. Take it this way, this item won't give damage, but will give life and mana and their regens. Hence take it on a hero who gains and has a high base damage and need no agility gain but needs a lot of mana and benefits with increase in life. Who else is in mind than Ursa Warrior! And Ursa is a killer and doesn't die all that easily, so he can stack up the charges and keep an IMBA regen of life and mana, and have high enrage damage!

This item is for losers. It only does stuff when you're already getting owned, it is much better to learn how to not get owned in the first place.

Techies wont want to get this instead of orchid at the start and soul booster is totally useless for techies if all you are gonna do is suicide. Plus as techies by the time u farm 5000+ gold your suicide wont be your main option anymore anyway.

Many clueless people here, this item owns completely if your hero is a hero killer, used it with Nerubian assassin as first item, managed to get 7 early/mid game kills with no deaths and I could just jump on them that they wouldn't kill me anymore, managed to get it to its 32nd charge and I soloed towers without any HP lose.

i have a question
How much does the Redemption damage?

zzz.. haiz.. so many noob ppl talking..
to be honest, no item is useless.. just see how u use them.. for int heroes with low hp, this this item gives hp and regen.. for str heroes with low mana, tis gives u mana and regen.. when u wanna aim for battle fury, u aim for preserverance 1st rite?(unlless u noob).. pros aim for preserverance bcoz of the regen.. most ppl get bf's bcoz of cleaving and mostly regen.. if u wan dmg, u wont get more than 1 bf's.. unless u happy to kill creeps than hero

for those ppl who keep keep askin the same quesiton about blood stone,
it gives:
+450 HP
+400 mana
+110% mana regen
+5 HP regen/second
Redemption means:
-The hero gains EXP and vision of the area where he died until he revives.
-Hero will respawn 20% faster and lose 40% less gold.
-If the item has no charges, the on-death bonus will be cut in half.
-Charges are gained/lost by killing heroes/dying.

for newbie dota intel heroes, get this first before aim for refresher and scepter.. u can disemble tis to form scepter and refresher.. tis is for helping to farm lvl.. good for both mid game and late game..if u think u got all item u need during late game and nothing else to buy, get bloodstone.. ppl who say items are noob is bcoz they dunno use them.. easy statement

for newbie dota intel heroes, get this first before aim for refresher and scepter.. u can disemble tis to form scepter and refresher.. tis is for helping to farm lvl.. good for both mid game and late game..if u think u got all item u need during late game and nothing else to buy, get bloodstone.. ppl who say items are noob is bcoz they dunno use them.. easy statement