Orchid Malevolence

Soul burn is what?

silence and dmg amplify that new items seems to be overpowered

Soul Burn: Silences a unit and makes it take 15% extra damage, lasts 4.5 seconds. Cooldown: 40.

Now I'm not one to judge items, but this baby gives 40% IAS, 60 damage, 150% mana regen, AND another silence for any int hero.

Whats really interesting is that this item can be used by non INT as well, the only thing potentially wasted is 25 intelligence, but IMO can benefit alot of str heroes due to them needing more mana. This could be good on Earthshaker instead of a manaring/bfury.

Without a doubt this is feasable on Medusa as well, Mana, IAS, damage, mana regen, and a silence!

Other heroes I'd expect this to be seen commonly on: Int DPS heroes, Storm (many of them), Prophet, Silencer, Dazzle, QoP, Death Prophet (Silence, Soul Burn, Silence again, 16 seconds of silence).

It's a variation of Ginsuu, and a very inferior version if it for a couple of reasons: Ginsuu can be assembled in pieces and the Eul's is also a fantastic item. Ginsuu's and Eul's disable is way superior to Soul Burn. Ginsuu is cheaper.

Why Orchid Malevolence then? Because you can have Ginsuu AND Orchid malevolence.

It is overpowered if used wisely. Good for ogre magi

this is the most perfect item ive been looking for. sence i use silencer often. it adds good damage. good int. lots of attackspeed AND MORE SILENCE

Flippin sweet on enchantress aswell imo :)

Good Item!! just cant get why you have to add the frickin 150% mana regen!! what for !!!

imbalace again

imbalance on Nort, thats it, just felt it on my skin

Sand king maybe?

Ah, atlast my harbinger can dominate mid game and not late game anymore

Please do not forget storm, with the additional speed, now storm spirit do not need agility item anymore.

o wow...storm will own now without having agi items! put this on any nuker and use Soul Burn, then your nukes...crazy

Uhh guys. TINY! He already has monsterous damage and needs Mana. This gives him an Int boost, an aspd boost, And Mana regen + Soul Burn. TINY SMASH!!

This ITEM ROCKS! This item can be IMBA!

This seems like an item made entirely for Harbinge, damage, intelligence, nice attack speed.

This is a great item for int heroes that don't benefit from Ag's scepter. The AS boost is pretty significant and shouldn't be overlooked, but the soul burn is really, really nice for troublesome heroes, and the cool down is pretty low as well. Probably my favourite of the new 6.49 items.

40% attack speed and damage amplify will make all hero's that are already imba more imba, perma stunners with damage amplify, sladar can have his ulti on autocast because of 150% mana regen...

Holy Shit this is what i've been waiting for! No more butterfly on enchantress just this and hyperstone, slightly more expensive but hell You're gonna pwn WAY better

Perfect item for Obsidian.

Its unbalanced, its getting nerfed very soon. Its got the EXACT same stats as Guinsoo, a comparable ability, and THEN theres 40% attack speed as well? I got this and the other one on Storm and rounded off very nicely even though we lost, and I usually hate Storm. Its getting nerfed.

I think this item also good for Visage, +60 damage, 150%mana regen and 40% IAS for his Soul Assumption and also add his Grave Chill makes him a AGI type of hero and hard to face off.

Good item, now everyone can silence though for a shorter time.

One very important questions. Does it stack with Chen/Pugna's Abliities? Those heroes have a built in dmg modifier, this would furthermore increase their ability to take down heros. How about getting this on the which doctor? Step one Soul Burn, Step 2 Maledict, step 3 ???, step four Profit!

@shimrra
yes i agree, but you forgot the fact that this item's silence is ONLY silence, they can still attack. With guinsoo, they can't attack so you get loads of free hits, with this you don't get any free hits. But you do hit them more. :D

harby ftw. stop massing mystics and put ur money into something useful

This is better than Guinsoo. Why? Let's see

Int gain: 5 more
Mana Regen: Same
Damage: Same
IAS: The 10% was overlooked in Guinsoo(From quarterstaff) now it is amplified to a great degree.
Spells: This one is more against intelligence and agi heroes (since they cannot afford the 15% more damage eating and they require spells to be useful) whereas the other one is more general (but the 15% is only applied to spells, since it removes natural immunity to spells only)

Whay that means? The movement lovering and the attack cancelling effect has been replaced by 15% physical attack amplify, +5 int and 40% IAS. Imba trade if you ask me. Better than guinsooi offensively.

Guinsoo: 5.1k
Orchid: 5.8k

700 gold difference for 30% more ASPD :o

all 3 of the new resipe items are imba

OMFG THIS WOULD BE PERFECT (MAYBE) WITH NORTROM (SILENCER) THE SOUL BURN WITH HIS SILENCING SKILLS!!

is this a new item?

yes.. -_-"

bought it and used it. really imba on intel heroes, super beneficial for both str + agil as well, cos they also need the mana and since they usually deal more base damage then intel heroes, the IAS is imba. the attack speed needs to be somewhat nerfed (makes no sense either Oblivion Staff only grants 10% ASPD and this grants 40%, whered that 30% come from?)

Well the +35 dmg and the 40% aspd along with the soul burn makes this item really good

OMG!!!!!!!!
YOU ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE ITEMS BEING IMBA!!
THEN WHEN THEY GET NERFED YOU GONNA COMPLAIN FOR NEW ITEMS FOR INT HEROES OR NO MANA OR SOMETHING AND THEN OUT COMES ANOTHER AND THE WHOLE PROCESS REPEATS!!
THESE ITEMS ARE NOT IMBA JUST BECAUSE AN INT HERO GETS ONE DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU CNAT GET ONE NOW....
seriously...this item is great, but not imba. some heroes are unaffected by silence and passive skills aree still triggered. (cept reincarnation)
this is not an imba item is is just right. there are many int heroes who just SUCK late game and need this item to make them DECENT....
nuke dmg gets lower...building HoD makes your int heroes useless and they begin to feed.
This is the only defense they have...

SImply imba! where u get 40% ASPD??? i dont think oblivion staff gives you 40%

i think this item is just perfect for nortrom

I gotta agree with kaptain, every time anything comes out every one yells Imba

This item is not imba.

A) Ginsuu has almost the same stats (-40% aspd)
B) Ginsuu is cheaper
C) Ginsuu turns enemies into sheep thus disabling all skills, spells, evasion, and even removes their innate hero spell resistance. Orchid only stops spellcasting.
D) Ginsuu can be used as an escape mechanism as well as a disable
E) Ginsuu is useful even when not complete, in the form of Eul's scepter. Everyone knows how useful cyclone is i'm not going to go into it.

Since this item isn't as good as Ginsuu and costs more than Ginsuu I must say this item cannot be imbalanced.

The 40% attack speed is pretty nice for int heroes but the new treads and cheaper hyperstones should give plenty of IAS.

Anyone who gets this item for a str or ESPECIALLY an agi hero should be shot as its just a complete waste of money for them.

i think that tis is a good item for escape because you can shut your enemy and run

wow silencer is imba 1 on 1 using this

Huh. Bard Man just remembered this Item. It's in one of the AI maps. Same stats and spells, but in the AI version, they deal 1.5x thier INT score as bonus damage.

DAT SO EVIL LOL XD when u click it the enemys cant use the magic xD hahaha

this seems too be quite good. yes i think i might enjoy trying this baby out on my preacous techies

its quite expensive

This item on Tiny...Soul Burn to silence, then avalanche and toss while opponent is soul burned=45 extra damage per spell, 40% increased attack speed means you'll hit them once in the air before they land with a +35 damage will put hit at about 270 on level 16, add 15% extra damage onto that would be about 320, for a grand total of about 1,010 damage in about 1.5 seconds. Mean? Ya. 345+345+320=1010

imba on techies, imba on techies, imba on techies, reading what this item gives you is like watching cmon guys you know what i mean off ;)

Good on int-based heroes who deal auto-attack damage.

For Nortrom, if your team has no disables, get Quinsoo.

If your team has disables, get this, because Orchid gives more DPS.

this item would rock on necrolyte with his ulti. already at level 4 (3 with aghanims) it can kill any hero at just above half health (not counting any resistance) but with this you could kill heros at about 64-65 percent health and if you get a dagon you could get them down to that amount of health heaps quicker. so soul burn , dagon ulti
Then get a refresher orb and soul burn ddagon and ulti again. And yes by then you would have enough mana to do that because you have lots of mana from aghanims and more from orchid and dagon and regen from refresher.


On another note imagine having bloodseeker with this and use rupture and this to someone running away.
good for any dps hero that needs mana or even if they dont.
get this with tidehunter....
also on the previous not of refresher orb get this item with refresher on lion or lina. for example lina ulti with aghanims does about 1000 and with soul burn it will do another 150 then refresh and do again. now 300 might not seem like much but you'll also be using other spells and physical attacks as well. This item would rock with the new arm band thing that does 20dps and with a hero with lifesteal. pity it doesn't last longer.

yeah i think its too much

this is almost the int version of a butterfly.. it's pretty nifty in game..

Why is that when a new item appears in dota everytime the comments mostly say 'imbalanced' anyway great for silencer

This is why IceFrog losts his mind...! The new items for DoTA are WTH??? IMBA 100% WTF????

lol all the new items look ugly and blurry here at DS. anyway, on silencer this thing is INSANE!!!@!@!@

On harbi too. But for those who scream imba: let me see them stopping N'aix (well the old one :P), traxex, clinkz or mortred runnning after them like crazy, with this instead of guinsoo :P

good 4 fuck ehh puck waahahahaa!! ovrpwerd xet!!

played a game with a harbinger, he had the new intel items...

we won in 30 minutes with the new items.

just get it with Puck and watch the fun start!
Also good for Nortrom and Krobellus

what is the use of tis item

Soul Burn: basically cripple, cept no "ethereal" stuff with the slow and only spells" thing.

its kinda cheap. mystic=2.9k,oblivion=1.9k, so just for 1k u get extra 30%atksp,20dmg, and soul burn? dude. that is screwed rite?

btw i aggre hellicek the new items r gay.

Furions new staff

what is soul burn? like mana burn????????????????????????

Hmm I hear a lot of people talk about this item is to imba, but it is just a very good item for INT hero's so they don't get pawned to hard late game. I think it is a great add to the arsenal.

yea, but this item can be equipped for any hero, because of the 40% increased aspd and additional 15% extra damage taken on enemies is a dream for agility heroes.

Does the amplify make ur spells do ampilified dmg aswell????

these new items are wickedly sick strong!!!

Silencer: Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse + Orchid Malevolence + Glaives of Wisdom + Blink Dagger:

Silencer's Glaives is already an extremely abusive skill on its own. Imagine that for every 1 point of INT you get, it gives you a bonus 0.6 Chaos damage (penetrates through all armor, Vanguard, Rigwarl's Bristleback, etc). So imagine Guinsoo boosting his bonus damage to around 60+ (with base damage, youd be dealing around 120+ estimated). Once a target is hexed, the armor is reduced to 0, allowing your base+bonus damage to kick it in full. Stack it up with Orchid Malevolence, its as if you had God's Strength while your opponent was on Amplify Damage. Dont forget that you have increased attackspeed from both Orchid Malevolence and Guinsoo, plus, if youre able to farm an Assault Curiass, its Beyond Godlike til the game ends!

Guinsoo is better n cheaper than tis item, guinsoo make the enemies moves slow by about 50% n decrease their armor until 0, tis edi amplify the incoming damage+ they also canot cast skill when in hex state.
The advantages of orchid malevolence is just a longer speel time tat is 4.5 second, tat is 1.5 second more than guinsoo.. so WAD!!!

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Soul burn? Is tat a new skill?

with storm spirit is imba

mana perfect with 1st skill and with damage and soul burn is pure owning

with storm spirit is imba

mana perfect with 1st skill and with damage and soul burn is pure owning

i love this item against pudge.. it'll save your teammates asses.. i like using it to counter dismember.. and since pudge usually has rot on.. he's forced to take dmg for the 4.5 seconds.. and it's amplified..

This items SUITS Bane Elemental LOL

Gunsoo And Orchid for INT heroes?? interesting!!!

Far too expensive IMO. I've only gotten it to be worth it once with Enchantress. Tried it on a variety of heroes and just way too expensive.

soul burn is fuck!! heheheheh

wow really powerful item, +60 damage for int type + the in creases attack speed, good for harbin ger if you are tired of buying expensive aghanism

insane new item- prolly the most imba of those...Nort and OD look so happy down dere . i absolutely dun wan a nerf, cus everytime i get it, its complete pwn with harbinger

This item is almost perfect for storm dmg+int(also dmg)+ atk speed which is the most important stat for storm overall this item is going to make storm pretty rigged

sniff sniff sniff!!! hail oh harby!!

hate this item

which is better for Nortrom? This or Guinsoo's?

dose this item's 40% aspd stack with Power Treads, Hyperstone, Assault Curiass, and the like???

it could also be used 4 juggernut rite...blade fury...enemy run away...soul burn 2 disable blinkers or opponents dat have kelen's dagger then omnislash + dagon =OWNING

Sand King users will be very problematic once one of the players of the opposing team gets this pretty good item.

I once used this with sandking.. Perfect for 1 on 1 situation. My opponent was omniknight, can't kill him coz of guardian angel. I built orchid then. Burrow strike, silence, epicenter.. boom!! his dead then

I just tried Orchid with Bone Clinkz!! Hell yeah!!
I had Diffusal Blade and Orchid. Nice combo.

Activate autocast and strafe, sneak behind the enemy, attack, then purge, after 3 sec, Silence and kill. DEAD MEAT!!

Nice for Lina Inverse
She needs mana
She needs AS
She needs damage with attack speed
this is totally good for her

It's a great way of telling those spell harrassing heroes "SHUT UP!!"

seems like most posters that said that it is also good for non-int heroes totally forgot about the MYSTIC STAFF ingredient which costs a lot..

i'm using this on silencer this coming tournament in our area

el orchis of malevolence es demasiado buena y q me mame el pene el q diga q no

the orchid of malevolence is a very good item

yes! what is soul burn!?

alam ko mana burn nawawalan ng mana

anu ung soul burn??? nawawalan ng soul?

yes! what is soul burn!?

alam ko mana burn nawawalan ng mana

anu ung soul burn??? nawawalan ng soul?

It's not that good for me!

This item is imba..silencer+guinsoo+shiva+ MO=100dmg per glaive gg

soul brn. parang mini-doom.

i think guinsoo is even better. the opponent cant do anything except for running away slowly. this item is only for silencing. which is non helpful if it is against agility and strength hero.

is soul burn like mana burn but instead hits life???

good for morphling???

Just think if bloody Skeleton king becomes a damn pain in the ass this is a good item to stop reincanation

tis item more suitable for wat hero ??

Hmm after 2019 DotA games i have played ( I keep track! ) I have never seen anyone use this item...

I love how ever one says IMBA or imba when it stands for "Imbalanced" the appropriate abriviation is "imbal".

IMBA item!!zzz

this isn't quite helpful at battles

tiny needs what this item gives. mana for his spells and attack speed. plus the soul burn gives him combat advantage. i'll test this item on him.

this item needs some serius modifying.. its kinda unfair... a silence and it amplfies damage? wtf?! but its great for int heroes... try this item w/ diege plus armlet of mordiggian, its ownage for u...

does orchid stack with PA's critical strike? can u get 4.0 x 1.15 damage?

Cool Soul burn but it only suits on an INT type.

the first time i used this item, i was really shocked. this is very powerful. i got 36 kills and 0 deaths!!!!!

Does Soul Burn increase the damage of Necrolyte's ult?

If so, would using Soul Burn on an enemy hero before zapping them with ult give you more damage over using Guinsoo's? This is keeping in mind that Guinsoo's polymorph reduces enemy armor to zero.

does this item amplifies the damage being taken by the caster of the orchid or the hero being soul burned?

any1 think about this item on undying? it helps his ulti...slow, like 50% increase dmg if the dmg increase stacks. and silence....its pretty much wat u need for him.

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meh, waste

soul burn? waht is that!!!!!

great for seal

Put it on Earthshaker and ROCK!

buy this for storm spirit....... incredible dmg

This is going to get nerfed, real fast. Good bye.

Perfect with Nortrom

this item is gud for obsidian...but it is true dat his ulti multiplier change to 8/9/10 since version 6.49

they changed it na sa 6.50
3 oblivion staffs? sana ok.

has not been changed too

damn nice item easy to get not to metion the masive mana regeneration holy S*** 225%? wow

they just made this so much better for silencer. additional attack speed whoot instead of getting mystic staff which makes you get a bunch of useless mana which you don't need

I think this has become much more usable with the new patch, 3 oblivion staffs, easy to build. +60 dmg for int heroes + IAS and a sick 225% mana regen. AND soulburn (20% extra dmg taken and silence for 5 sec) awsome.

awesome item dude a bit cheaper but also a well waste of inventory. lolz 3 oblivion staff!! but the extra things are pretty good. I guess now Orchid would be more consider for more intelligence heroes. cause guisoo has become so much more expensive around 700 more -*-

3 oblivion wow I think it's better if u make it with an other recipe like eul's or
oblivion plus dagon 1 and recipe

now this is better than guinso

you smell

orchid malevolence + silencer = NO CHANCE THAT U CAN CAST A SPELL HAHAHA

i think its more better with mystic staff+ ultimate orb without a recipe =P what do u think peoples?

SWEET I LOVE THIS DOES IT STACK WITH DIRGE >

Nice item...

i want it for my medusa haha.. i will be immortal by my mana hahahaha

i want it for my medusa haha.. i will be immortal by my mana hahahaha

nah, its better like it is, thats why i prefer gettin this item over guinsoo, even though guinsoo is better combat wise. orchid is just easier to build.

this item is BS on WD.

Cask, Maledict, Orchids, Ulti. (Also Dagon and Guinsoo would be good)

Even getting hit by his ulti twice, it still does 500 damage at lvl 3.

Try it on Tiny

mana burn

Does this stack with Dirge's plague?

i just wanna know if the soulburn stacks with pugna's decrepify and chen's penitence. hope someone can answer this for me.

It sure stacks with Slardar's amplify dmg

it should stack with slardar's coz his ability is armor reduction and this indirectly increases damage taken. but pugna's decrepify, dirge's plague and penitence are all direct spell and damage amplifying spells. wud they stack fully/diminishingly or the highest spell damage increase takes effect?

this item hella fits storm. int+dmg+atkspeed+manaregen is exactly what storm needs

is this good for razor?

3 oblivion staff = ???

Orchid Malevolence+Doom= additional 234 damage

omg......
really powerful ...
absolute int item....

This item rapes every weaver out there.
Whoever gets this item, is a GREAT tread to the weaver, who is, anyway, damn hard to be good with in a ward environment...
With this items, there's no hero who CANT beat the weaver now.

HAha guys, lets just summarize what we all said.


This item rocks on all heros xO

I use this item for INT dps'ers like storm ,silencer and harbringer.

its only 5025 now
its cheaper

Nice!

i think this rocks on Enchantress. If u farm well and get this before enemies are too buff, u got Silence (which generally makes casters try to run back) + strong, fast impetus. And mana pool to support natures attendants should you need it.

However better than Gusinoo... i dont know. Gusinoo may be preffered because u can get Euls earlier and Enchantress can do with something to prevent ganks.

One important point that everyone seems to be forgetting is that this item is much easier to assemble than Guinsoo despite costing more. Building 3x Oblivion Staff is relatively easy and consistently beneficial every time you hit the fountain early/mid-game for heroes like Enchantress, Visage, etc.

is this great for techies!! Yeah i think it is cause shimarra3 got it and he owened and every other techies player ive seen has had this! so its a must for techies.. BTW who has seen the dark knight!!!!! Go HEATH LEDGER GO HEATH LEDGER.. ADD ME ON MSN AT maca_gunna55@hotmail.com lmao discuss dota and whatever with me if u guys want!!

i think this really meaning for rylai

Rylai? No no no... THIS Item is meant for Lina. Combine that boost to damage with Laguna Blade. TOTAL RAEP!

wat s dat do i think 8 s more comfortable 2 silencer?

ONE QUESTION!!!!
If someone is teleporting with scroll / Bot does activating soul burn on him stop him from doing so. If it does this would be good on bristleback as you would have a lot of mana to spam your spells as well as having super fast attack speed. Bristleback + Orchid Malevolence + Basher = Amplified Permabash

Sry for double posting
PPl escaping from bristleback early with tp /bot can say goodbye to that method

I should try this with Raijin.

The mana regen means I could keep my Electric Rave on always. And the Soul Burn allows me to attack like crazy and deal extra damage. Good item, I likey.

Will the soul burn stack with pugna's 2nd skill when casted together? Thats mean 55% more spell damage.. :D

Why is evry1 bein so paranoid bout this item?its not dat imba afterall.just prolly the ias could be reduced from 40 to 30. 3 oblvn staff adds up to 30%,40% is just too much bonus.d rest is cool and well placed.