Blade Mail

Does this stack with itself?

Yes it does it also stacks with Spiked Carapace. If your faceing only or many meele heroes buy a couple of these and they will have a hars time killing you. Also stacks with the Ceuntar skill.

this item really good to counter melee..
also easy to make..

It's really good against high dps, low hp heroes because they take such a blow with this.

the best way to counter naix is simple stack a couple blade mails and he is useless

Useless item. Takes up space and useless late game, when all melee heroes are starting to get HP return items, just do some basic calculation. if axe hits you for 200 damage late game, 20% of 200damage will be 40damage, and then lets say he has VLAD, and gains back 36hp on that hit, he will gain back 36HP, so you end up having dealt 4damage! for 1770gold! not worth it, waste of space. unless your NeruAssasin, this item is CONSIDERABLE.

it is cheap but very useful item...

imagine that when your team is having 4 melee heroes and all your enemies buy about 3 or 4 blademail, 1 manta, 1 mekansm , all cheap item....

but they return up to 60% damage, able to use their illusion attack u or confuse u, and able to heal himself...

it is very annoying... u feel that u r wasting ur money that increase ur damage that will also harm yourself badly too....

Is there an item who can counter Blade Mail???

I think BKB can counter it. Atleast Naix rage did when I played with panda. And it is not an useless item, it's just situational.

Wow imagine using 2 or 3 of these against high damaged melee heroes.

this is a gay item at late game, who stacks these?

i think i agree w/ lupeman...this item is unfair for melee heroes, its not i am a melee lover but its just unfair

i think i agree w/ lupeman...this item is unfair for melee heroes, its not because i am a melee lover but its just unfair

lol, who would stack these? heroes with returned damage could benefit from oen of these

it stack with itself and other skills like return and spiked carapace...

Axe + HoT + 3 Blade Mail + Radiance + Thread =

Lol, useless? get 6 of these in a 5 v 5 match = GOD. I was a bloodseeker with this, i just CHARGED at a naix with 3000HP and i had like 1500. HE HAD NO CHANCE - he charged and took like 230 dmg back.so count like i do 300 dmg - which is about 430 dmg back, regarding armor. Hell, if they were ALL melee, just charge a group of five and have 5 blademails, and a life steal. You tell me.

@ Pico, you are an idiot, 6 blademails on a BS.... Please stop making stuff up, if I was naix I would invest in ONE BKB, and own you easily(of course regular items with naix). Being that you have 6 blademails, you dont have any mov speed, so you wont be able to get away, and with my poison sting you wouldn't be able to run away. Idiots like you need to stop posting nonsense.

Life stealing skills and items can counter return damage of this stuff. I don't believe Naix could be pwned with this, especially if he has satanic and vlad. Even if this stacks, it's not practical. Ranged and magic attacks will still pwn you.

lol @ n00b stackn 6 of these . unless that naix had no items whatsoeva, yea maybe

get na and and get 2 or three blademails and then you are very hard to kill and you can solo roshan and you don't even have to attack!!

i dont think naix gets life steal from 20% melee damage return

I think that the best way to counter blademail is to buy items which gives you magic resistance because the damage return from blademail is considered to be magic.I tried this on magina together with his skill which gives 30% magic resistance and it works.

Useless item. Takes up space and useless late game, when all melee heroes are starting to get HP return items, just do some basic calculation. if axe hits you for 200 damage late game, 20% of 200damage will be 40damage, and then lets say he has VLAD, and gains back 36hp on that hit, he will gain back 36HP, so you end up having dealt 4damage! for 1770gold! not worth it, waste of space. unless your NeruAssasin, this item is CONSIDERABLE.

This is faulty reasoning. Instead of say ~120% he gets 100%. Blademail has absolutely no "counter".

So this item neutralizes lifesteal, AND deals 4 extra damage for 1770 gold, I'd take it. So if you then get lifesteal YOURSELF you end up dealing a lot of damage for little gold.

Centaur is great with these. The synergy between Return and Blade Mail is awesome. Okay, so a level 16 PA with Satanic, MKB and Treads goes to 1 versus 1 the Centaur. Level 16 Centaur has two Blade Mails and a HoT. You'll never guess who wins. Even though PA will be dealing about 250 damage per hit and 4x that on criticals, the damage from Return and Blade Mails wrecks the life steal and ends up pwning PA because she has poor HP.
Bruno_89 is right on. So is RAWR-itsanONION.

can thorn,thorn itself?????
like if A and B have this item then A attacks the B produces thorn effect but will the thorn effect set off the other thorn effect?

u mean if 2 people hav blademail and they hit each other gettin 20% melee damage return? i dont think so cos the return is considered as magic, not melee as tontoongtao thinks.

I think this item is very strong unless it can be solved by reduce it by HOOD OF DEFIANCE.
If that true then it is bad for anti mage realy it is very bad agnist it
IF it can't be reduced then i think there is bug in is item.

Ok so there's people both hating and loving this item. Just use it in the right situations:gg. One hero not mentioned its good for is Tiny, whenever you're going against 4+ melee. Return + craggy ext + vlad's + cuirass=unstoppable vs other melee. Everyone's also forgetting about the added armor it gives. If you're melee and you get one or two of these w a vlad's: very hard to beat for other melee. Until late LATE game.

tiny cant be beat at late LATE game. he could probably win the whole game usin BoT, Blink dagger and 4 hyperstones.

not so sure about this item

quite a useless item since its very rare to see more than 3 melee heroes in a team

question.... if you get 5 of these, does hat mean that 100% melee damage would be returned??

if so, omniknight cast repel on self... he can basically own any melee fights rite? plus enemy can't run with degen aura on him... true?? or am i missing something here...

omniknight can basically own any hero with avg ASPD and not completely outrageous ultis

would it be like okay to by NA 3 of these? cause usually i buy 2 but i was thinking whether its a good idea?

works well with Nerubian Assassin
2 of these plus his spikde carapace and you have 100% dmg return which means anyone that atks you wants to die lol especially agains this hero

Of course you would be wasting 3 slots for 100% damage return. Can be countered by Assault Curiass (minus armour NA gains from Blademail), Desolator (minus armour NA gains from Blademail), Satanic (It won't be 100% damage return now), Vladmirs Offering (It won't be 100% damage return now), Hood of Defiance (Yes, Damage Return is considers a spell), anything else that gives armour or spell resistance will decrease the damage return.

@lupeman, ill send you a replay of it happening. I had 5 blademails + 1 boots of travel.

plz do :D

does this Damage return Crits?

I'd say dmg return items are useless. I go for lifestealing items. Get a heml of madness, and a satanic, then u cant be killed!

critical cuts through armour, so i dont think it does.
if ur against tiny, if u r a hero with natural damage return, get two of these. For example, nerubian assasin. :D

im gona vs my mate 1v1 razor vs void...wuld it be good 2 get blade mail with razor 2 win also mata style coz void doesnt have alot ov mana??? yes no?

get it for Nerubian Assassin

Posted by nakpack
2007-06-19
I'd say dmg return items are useless. I go for lifestealing items. Get a heml of madness, and a satanic, then u cant be killed!

2 ORB Effects DO NOT stack, so there is no point in buying these items for purpose of lifesteal because 1 of them just doesnt work.

centaur with 3 blademails is magina's nightmare

magina would actually fare better better than most heroes against a centaur with blademails, since he has magic dmg reduction and blademails deal MAGIC not MELEE dmg. also, feedback ignores armour and since its not melee dmg (correct me if im wrong, but since its mana burn, it should be spell), the feedback would be returned. so actually, magaina would be one of the best heroes to FIGHT centaur with three blademails.

@ everyone who things NA should get blademails: NA is a gank agi hero with average aspd and low health. blademails rely on you getting HIT for them to do anyting (armour bonus, return dmg). why would you want your agi hero to get hit? its stupid. NA isnt a tank. buy a level 1 dagon, nulls, and go out and gank. he is an ASSASSIN.

srry, feedback NOT returned

Can two of these be efefctive against Naix if he's on Rage? I...dont think so

have 2 of this and you will dominate n'aix

i've tried this and it work

my bastard classmate just said that it is not good to use with akasha or other heroes fighting against 2 melee ranged hereos.............isn't he dum

not if Naix gets 126% lifesteal
Vladmirs, Satanic and Activate, Vampiric Aura, Feast

This item is totally underrated if you face 3 or more melee heroes and your whole team gets too of these you are at a disadvantage definetly i agree but you'll get 2 or more kills on each 5on5
facing because of not being attackable by high damage heroes

a MUST HAVE against a divine rapier mortred (she'll die from 2 crits even with lifesteal)

Posted by lupeman
2007-08-14
not if Naix gets 126% lifesteal
Vladmirs, Satanic and Activate, Vampiric Aura, Feast


Do vlads and satanic stack??

I don't think so...

umm.... does anyone want to explain to ocho that vladmirs offering is an aura and it will stack with satanic?

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me lupeman, I will!!

You see Ocho, Vlad's is an aura whereas Satanic is an orb effect. Only two orb effects don't stack - but two auras, and auras with an orb DO stack. Therefore Vlad's + Satanic = stacked!!
And if you don't believe me, it's not that hard to confirm. Just look at the Vlad's item - it clearly says "+16% Lifesteal Aura (melee)". Note: AURA.

Sakrat was right earlier when correcting nakpack though - MoM and Satanic definitely won't stack.

As for Blademail... I'm really not as expert as some of these guys when it comes to analysing items and hero strats etc. My gut feeling says that it could be useful, but I haven't had the experience to say for sure. I definitely wouldn't be stacking 3+ like some of the people here have suggested. Too much money which could be better spent on other items.

wait so if i buy
5 of this i will hav 100%
melee dmg return?

yep, kinda imba on heroes like nerubian assasin though, even though nerubian assasin is probably goin to die anyway if the other guy has more health. nerubian assasins damage would be pitiful.

Must for tankers. Example: Axe(prob not) Pudge(yup) and other fatties like centaur (double thorn!)

Nice against melee

ceuntar with 2 of this is buged

i was pug vs him and he had this i killed my self faster then killing him

lupe man. how could they benefit from it???

i think 3 of them stack wif themselves

uhm, if it says return damage, then would it mean 20% of that damage you were supposed to take would go to the opponent, or that you would take FULL damage, then 20% of that damage would then be damaged to your opponent? im a little confused lah...

You WILL TAKE full damage, but your opponent will also take 20% of the damage he inflicted on you

Do you have to build Nerub's Spiked Carapace before you build this? If i want 2, do i have to build them both before learning lvl l spiked?

t@ng ina nakaka-excite

This i my new favourit item. I was playing 5v5 -ar, I was Queen of pain(int hero=low hp) and we were fasing a godlike riki so I decided to buy 2 blade mails, then I needed some more hp so I went to the secret shop to buy reaver for HoT.Then a blue cloude appeared out of noweare and my life dropped very fast, a second later whan I fought I had died from riki I realised that I instead had recieved around 900 gold for ending rikis godlikespree, then riki typed in the shat something like - I hate thous fucking blademails.

this helps with CW and nerubian assasin.

i seriously think this item i for early game late game u shuld sell this and farm more better items but i have to admit it is quite a good item for early game

y dont u just form 5 blade mails???

thats 100% return damage if u have a melee attacker...??

W/ 2 of these adn i think an HoT on panda, iv had a stealth assassin suicide atking meh.

I tried it with tiny...i had 6 againts
mortred. raped him when he did a 1220 on me

You need to buy two of these if they would have any effect.

I think it's just a waste of space, unless you are fighting a hero with huge attackdammage.

I love this item......i buy at least two of these and heart when i have centaur warchief

This item helps counter life-steal, and lets you atleast dmg vs permabash. This item doesnt become useless late game either, cuz 20% is always 20%. Ive seen ppl stack these vs 4-5 melee n its a huge pain.

Nice item for against faceless but i think its "gayish"

LOL I have never bought this.

Is this good for Visage? With her 20% return skill?

perfect with spectre,centaur,anub`arak,necro`lic

yep

One of the best late game items ever vs Void and Spider. In a 2v2 APEM other team picks Void and Spider. I intentionally picked Krobelus.. dumb right? Wrong. Owned them early spamming swarm. Got owned mid while farming for blademail. Late game was hilarious. Tanked both without attacking either. Spider died in 8 hits after he ulted for more damage (right back at him) then void Chronos/Frenzies himself to death.. hahaha. Noobs. BTW Ended up selling all items for more BM(no boots). This stuff owns

this is one of my fav. items and my fav. hero is nerubian assassin... it is a good item for him... vanguard, blade mall, buriza, threads,MKB and ciras. it will be beyond godlike...

yep dude it does,
can some one tell me how the hell do u beat a nerub 'sin wearing 2 of these with armor around 25....with sniper...or any char

i think this is not good to combine with vanguard. when vanguard blocks the damage, you'll return leasser damage on the attacker... and anyway, you'll not get the 100% damage.. think of the +armor right or wrong?

I wonder what would happen if Anub'arak had 3 of these with its own 40% damage return skills....

Anyone tried?

Theoretically, it should be 100% melee damage return, isn't it?

Just a passing thought from spontaneous curiousity

wa enta tong gamit na to..

I dont agree with the harsh critics giving this item such a bad rap..Its cheap..you get armour and its like adding 20% damage to your attack against meeles because when your being hit you can always figth bak....its useful when you got 3 melles gaking int/agi heroes which usually have less hp..

effective against void

yes blade mails stack and they stack with everything so cent anuberak chuck on ur blade mails!

yes blade mails stack and they stack with everything so cent anuberak chuck on ur blade mails!

Blaid Mail is like an armor and is cheaper then VANguard... if u put helm of dinominator+this+vanguard..., ur hero wuld be hard as rock..

In the end does it work against Ursa or not?

Im pretty sure it works on crits cos I was axe versin PA both lvl25 he had 3 bfurys a HoD a butterfly and somethin else

he crit me for some gigantic number a couple of times and he basically killed himself all I did was finish off with my ulti I had 2 blade mails a heart and a vanguard =/ so I take it its good for tanks against PA

OF COURSE IT IS GOOD AGAINST MORTRED!
I was asking about ursa; cause some stupid idiot created the rumour that ursa is considered a RANGE HERO with a small range, and I was wondering would it work against Ursa

Does a range heroes take damage from blade mail if he's near ?

Does a range heroes take damage from blade mail if he's near ?

This item has it's moments. I just played a game against the bounty hunter. He was stacked, so 2 teamates bought 2 blademails each, he died in 2 hits :P

I use blade mail x2 on Visage, 40% damage return is a pain in the ass for all the meleers, but you should be a tank if you wanna use this IMO

Lifesteal is the best way to counter blademail. Vlads in midgame / Satanic in late game would be fine against blademail.
Naix with vlads, esp in recent DotA versions, would own a Centaur with three blademails.

good item against bashers

@Cranium_Basher
vlad's works on ursa, and vlad's is supposedly a melee lifesteal aura only, so it sounds to me like ursa is not ranged

Its a very good item 2 counter basher !!!Great to use when against with Troll or Void.Troll melee form quite horrible when 1vs1,blademail can counter very well when face with troll!!

Does the 20% damage return apply if you are fighting in melee with an enemy that has a ranged attack?

Good for countering melee. Definetly a good item...

Use some against Void :) and he's toast

Awwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!
Return damage,,,its good to centaur and axe and other melee tankers!!!!

Nce!!!