Monkey King Bar

monkey king bar or battlefury for magnus?

Magnus has a natural cleave, i'll go for Buriza for magnus, for a crit it will come in much more handy. ; ) MKB will be my first choice over BURIZA, that bonus damage is just too sexy. ; )

does it stack with powertreads?

damn it wats wth the treads?

maybe i'll choose a battle fury instead of MKB..........MKB is good on strt type hero...........but battlefury is on of my best item and buriza for crit strike.....

EMPEROR OF INVENTARY.

ITS MY FAV. ITEM..

WTF WATS WITH THE TREADS???????

yes atk speed stacks with atkspeed... so... it stacks with treads...
nice item for viper..

1.Does the bash of MKB stack with heroes such a void and troll? Or do only Craniums Bashers stack with the heroes?

2.Also does bash from an item stack with another item with bash?

I'm very confused.

@ numbutt - nooooooo if you bash them with cranium basher and you hit the 0.01 second bash with mkb the cranium bashers stun is cancelled =.= choose 1, basher or mkb

Is this good for raigor and mix it up with battle fury??

What is the purpose of a 0.01 second stun? That's not even noticeable in real-time play. ?

to disrupt spells that need castin time. basher has 15% chance of 2sec stun, this has 30% of 0.01sec stun

hey does the last part mean i cant use this with cranium basher?

100 bonus damage, meaning 75+100?? does this mean if i have 2 MKB's, i could have 150+200? and .02 second stun 30% of my hits?

so with this say im hitting 100 it will allow me to hit 275 every time?

like .02 second stun is any more different to .01 if u stacked this. no u cant use with bashers cos it overrides it. dont stack this, theres much better weapons, even though the damage, aspd and passive ability may seem very generous

I believe that each MKB has a chance to proc. You get the combined passives (75+75=150 damage) and (15+15=30% attack speed), but the proc is individual.

MKB1 and MKB2.
Lets say MKB1 procs, and MKB2 doesn't. You receive 100 damage bonus and 0.01 sec stun (which is only used to stop chanelling spells).

If both MKB1 and MKB2 proc, you recieve 100 damage from each (100+100=200) and the stun - but the stun does not add together to create 0.02 - you just recieve 0.01.

In any case, if the human eye can distinguish between one hundredth of a second, and two hundrendths of a second, i would be very amazed :P In game terms, nothing will change - he still gets his spell interupted.

In summation - each MKB rolls for its own proc, and does not add the chance together or anything like that.

MKB RULEZZ!!

but in any sense the chances DO stack, cause u have with every hit the chance that mkb1 casts and the chance that mkb2 casts, 2x30%, so a 60 % chance that one of them casts.

and the thing with mkb/cranium basher:

why not combine it?

if you hit, there is a 30% chance that mkb casts his mini-stun plus 100 dmg and a 15% that the basher casts.
in the case that both cast, only mkb works, but this wont happen so often, and, the 100 dmg arent that bad, too (=

is this true or not?

does threads stack with it?

@ Volzotan. ur theory is so very BAD! no one ever stacks MKB with Basher. the sole purpose of the Basher is to stun. if u get MKB with it, why the hell did u get the Basher for? and if u stack this, its 30% of the remaining 70% chance so that is actually 51% chance. meanin u wont be able to use buriza or basher.

So, does a MKB passive damage and stun, stack with FACELESS VOIDs stun and CRANIUM BASHERS?

FFS NO!

if i were to get 2 of these on syllabears bear, it would proc both 100's and have 30ias :)

@lupeman
Yes but MKB's mini stun will shorten Faceless's bash duration.

its still disgustin to watch n00bz buy this item on heroes who hav natural bash.

the last time i checked allstars' mechanics section, it said that mkb's ministun will stack with bashes. it will not shorten bashes since longer bashes override shorter ones.

MKB is good for Kardel Shapeye.

battle fury best item 2 hits on any creep and the rest will die. Become a leet farmer then get bdk and mkb

i think.. 2xMKB work?

does this stack with treads and hyperstone? Btw, is this good for Kardel?

MKB is not worth getting folks. First of all, MKB's stun is actually 30% to stop channeling spells with an extra 100 dmg IF IT DOES STOP THE CHANNELING SPELL. Moroever, the increased IAS does not effectively allow anchorsmash to proc as its extra aoe dmg. BF cleave is huge for farming creeps, once you get BF you can basically afford anything you want, especially after you get a hyperstone. But thats besides the point. MKB is not worth getting on LEVI especially when he is in need of the mana regen for his spells.

ur just sayin that its bad for Levi and thats it. Its basically a weaker version of divine rapier that doesnt drop

like this item, but dont use it often, most of the cases i use radiance/assault cuirass/stygian instead of e.g. double mkb

Great item for Kardel

palakasin nyo pa!!! hehehe

2 Bashers or 1 MKB and 1 Basher?

1MKB and 1 basher if you got lightning fast and blazing fast attack speed. THis way it seems like perma stun. I 've seen an MKB and basher with cuirass and butterfly on Anti mage before. and god, he was terrifying.

2 bashers. basher and MBK dont stack

good item for Tidehunter?

one of my favourites..cool item..i'll get it for all agi/str heroes

this is not fair for pugna!!!!!

monkey king bar cancel a brasher??

"The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash"


Yeah, I'd say so. F'in ridiculous for NS.

MKB or buriza?

depends on your hero...for mortred get this, for razor/troll/netherdrake get crit. If they have a crit, the best thing you can do is get more attack speed and damage so you can crit more and for more damage. If they already have insane attakc speed (i.e. frenzy) then get them a crit

does cranium basher's stun work with the monkey king bar's stun?

is this good for abaddon?

does monkey king bar stack with buriza???

people should really read what it sez there...
The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash.
The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash.
The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash.
I REPEAT!
The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash.

Got the message now?

God against chaneling spells

k i dont quite get how the "the bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash"
can someone plz explain what this means how it works?

TO n00bz WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE PASSIVE BONUS DAMAGE WORKS, READ THIS!

the bonus damage, which is 100 damage, overrides any criticals strikes that the holder may deal (if ur hero scores both a critical and a bonus damage strike, the bonus damage will take effect), cancels previous bashes and ignores armour. got it?

in other words, the bonus damage is fixed REGARDLESS of any situations.

howeva, will not get u out of nightmare, hex, cyclone, astral imprisonment, whateva.

It will only get you out of dealing poor damage

Some say that MKB with mortred is bad but in my personal observation, against a pudge it was dreadful with treads, and MoM, pudge died within 2 sec at lvl 16 at full health!!

mustve been a pretty bad pudge player, his hook, rot and dismember shouldve take u down by around 1000 damage (400, 300, 525). mortred is a low hp hero, probably reaches around 1300 health at lvl 16. evasion wouldnt hav helped much cos rot, hook and dismember cant be evaded.

also with mask of madness activated, u wouldve take more damage than normal

CAN YOU SUCK DICKS?

mkb or sny for jarakal?

why mkb???why not buriza...as is good when combined with satanic????

MKB grants attack speed and high chance bonus damage, whereas buriza only grants damage and low chance of critical. it really up to preference really.

Which One is better for JUGG
1. Mkb or BAsher

Definately MKB for Juggernaut. You want the extra damage for his natural 36% chance crit. However, you should know that MKB will override crit if they go off at same time. MKB is good, but if you want damage w Jug, better to go with butterfly, especially for the 30% evasion.

Hero specific queswtion here.. MKB on Luna.. what are your thoughts??

What i really wanna know is will there we a whole chain of stunned creeps with the mini?

One more thing,
2 MKB work pretty well but the sum is 150 Dam,+30% Attack Speed , 30% Chance +(100-30)*30% Chance = 51% Chance for Bonus Damage => every second hit 100 Dam and 0.01 Second Stun with Buriza 75dam and Butterfly (+60%Attack Speed + 60dam)....O MY GOD

I LOVE MKB.....
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abuse MKB now

1 javelin is 1400..wow its cheap now!!

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT no demon edge required anymore...i am sooo getting this item more...

sorry to crush hopes, this is wrong, u need 2 javs and a demon no recipe, that is all

Um ok then that would make the cost go to around 7k!!! THEN NOBODY WOULD BUY THIS!

Oops my bad i thought javelin was like 1.7k...Lol delete my comment above

so 2 javelins = 2800 gold
plus demon edge = 2600 gold
=5400 gold?? no change in price??

tapsilog that is exactly right, no change in proce at all, but 1 jav instead of quarter, go farm demon, go back for instead of recipe, another jav like ur buying the same exact item.

when ur in the midst of tryin to make this item, u dont gain any bonus attack speed anymore. (from quarterstaff i mean)

meanin u got 2 javelins that dont grant any ASPD

sorry for noob question but what does ASPD means??

@ g33k

ASPD or IAS
mean attack speed / increased attack speed

The reason they altered the MKB requirements was to give MKB more of a theme in my opinion
besides a chance to do bonus damage WHILE making MKB means you will basicly have a mini MKB until the full item is made,
thereby giving your enemies a taste of things to come when/if you complete MKB

the new system is awesome i rekon :D

Long time no buy MKB. Miss the previous MKB..

Its THE most Firgging. item of them all. All Time Favourite with the javelin!!!!!!!!

is this mkb is cheaper than the old mkb?

can it stack with maelstrom?

Does MKB stack w/ Darkterror's bash?
Cuz many says it stacks

if it doesn't give bonus ASPD then why is it still being written in the item details here? im confused. So, ASPD bonus or no bonus?

WTF- it does give attack speed

tks for clarifcation.
+75 Damage
+15% Attack Speed
Passive: Bonus Damage
100 Damage to Target 0.01 Second Stun 30% Chance
The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor, and will cancel any previous bash
that thing confused me. but now i noe

nice heavy damage, stops channeling spells

shouldn't the recipe be demon edge, javelin & quarter staff?

you get mkb with skeliton king after satanic it owns

Posted by eyefury
2007-05-14
the last time i checked allstars' mechanics section, it said that mkb's ministun will stack with bashes. it will not shorten bashes since longer bashes override shorter ones.
He is correct about this,end of

wow! new requirements!!!

My favorite thing to do the with MKB is to equip it to Viper!

this could work 4 kardel, very nice!

2 mkb is enough since Kardel has its 50 damage, 40% chance + 30%+ 30% it's total of 100%.
And also cancel any previous bash not fit for any one that has bash

I;am the best remember that!!

best item ever!

y need 2 javelins ?? no scroll ? omg !!

absolutely sux

amazing with mirana, ulfsaar, PA, traxex etc!!!

i remember on 6.37 The MKB was so cheap....

MKB works vey well for the lightning revenant..

does MKB stack with itself?

hah! the must-buy item i will buy if i use melee heroes

try dis item 2 zeus.,,
and u wil be shock wat wil hapen...,
zeus can kill 1 team when u use it...,
just try.,,

i suggest MKB to Kardel Sharpeye and Mortred. :D

astig ang dota

Hmm..

WTF!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!
WTF!!!!!!!!WTF~!!!!!!!!!WTF~~~!!!

good against tp users

MKB is especially best used on heroes with no bash passive skills. You do not want to waste 100% 2 skills if you can go 100% with 1 skills

battlefury for early game, mkb can be considered later for magnus.

However, go mkb for; Raigor(it support the 2nd skill) Kardel(with epicenter, i use to get triple kill, damn he fucking owning it), mortred, razor, viper, etc..

Wtf has Kardel to do with epicenter, man you are mistakening the heroes

coll and steady damage..
so..... sweet

does the 15% atsp stack with armlet of morddigan??

is it useful for leoric?

amazing on dps heroes, like drow

clearly Kardel Snipers ulti has been replaced from Asassinate to Epicenter nah jokes

0.01 stun?

good against for TPing heroes

How does the bonus damage interact with lifesteal? Do you lifesteal the bonus damage?

i prefer the requirments on the previous mkb

great item fo mirana

For magnus battlefury

"The bonus damage is fixed regardless of any situations e.g. critical attack, armor".....

I think what this mean is that the bonus damage from MKB is not multiplied by any critical damage item or skill..

....and it cuts through armor..

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ban these guys

what a loser....

I don't get its effect... so a mini-stun that will cancel spell, bash, ignore critical, and ignore armor? Wtf, if it will cancel out negative spells, crit, and stuns, then this item is pretty useless.

This item rules, i never play PA without trying to get one

OK if you put this on luna, can it still stun on the 2nd 3rd 4th glaive? if so thats a long range spell disrupt. . . . . .

i've never tried getting this weapon. i may have to do that tonight.

its good for NS... i hear...

The bonus 100 damage is 100 damage no matter what.

ALSO, the ONLY thing that MKB negates (for you) is Stuns, ie the mini-stun will cancel out a Bash from Faceless Void etc. Hence why perma-stunners don't get this item.

Figured I'd clear a few things up

MKB or Buriza for Viper? or both?

I prefer MKB on Viper, personally...

MKB for viper, so you can cancel enemies who try and TP away from your slow :P

i love this on viper but for other dpsers i like buriza better

loh

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