No...shake it, not BOOM! - Greater Bash

Congratulations on getting 2nd place! Thanks for participating!

NICE ONE

Freaking AWESOME guide :D GJ 10/10 from me.

i think radiance would be better.Also you dont need buriza.Second HoT is better

2nd Heart is better than Buriza.
Good work.
I actually think this one deserves a pat on the back.

Nice Guide! I always used the radiance build, but i tried this one and it works great! 10/10

whoo one of the first comments when i logged on

Thx all

Yay im second!

Oh and BTW nice job i think this should get first plaace, >.> i always thought that alch sucked balls at first glance but after reading ur guide i realise hes a badass herokiller

I was surprised that everybody just hated Alchemist just because of his low state gain

veeeeeery n1 guide, gj man

but one thing i do is getting mom instead of sny, it gives life steel, aspd and ms(and its much cheaper), it has good synergy with your ult, if your team is good you dont need to chase

bashers are also very good on him, with the uber aspd of rage and mom you can become a permabasher

10/10

I SO WANTED A RAZZIL GUIDE! THX

Rally nice...
whose strat remains for 1st prize?

Awesome guide and I agree that SnY is most helpful to Razzil

Were is armlet? Armlet has great synergy with Alches ulti nad works even better if you've got vladimirs. But, everyone has their own play style and I don't complain. Great guide though 9/10

Were is armlet? Armlet has great synergy with Alches ulti nad works even better if you've got vladimirs. But, everyone has their own play style and I don't complain. Great guide though 9/10

Hmm why no bashers? ya can permastun a guy with chemical rage. Still good job.

Were is armlet? Armlet has great synergy with Alches ulti nad works even better if you've got vladimirs. But, everyone has their own play style and I don't complain. Great guide though 9/10

Just a question. Have you ever thought of getting Armlet of Mordiggian?
It would fit perfectly with his huge hp regen and it also get a boost from HoT.

Btw, gave u a 10/10. Gj =)
Some other item builds would be nice.

great guide i dont normally read all the guide but im interested in playing some alchie this guide looks great 10/10

@ malicef

I hate bashers :p

@ Imm0rtaL.

y i forgot to put that one as optional :p but also the huge hp regeneration is what we also want in combat :)

I love your guide. It is detailed and isn't long and boring. It also covers many aspects of farming, hero killing, and how to properly use your hero skills. I enjoyed reading it. It's basically how I play Alchemist.

Were is armlet? Armlet has great synergy with Alches ulti nad works even better if you've got vladimirs. But, everyone has their own play style and I don't complain. Great guide though 9/10

good guide!
10/10
yeah i no u explained ur guide, but what if u went boots, fury, raidence, treads/travels, and then heart and those big items?
u'd farm any item u wanted in about 10 min, and the dmg from fury + raidence and rage would make a dps machine.
this way you could get maybe satanic, i think the lifesteal is better than s and y later, and they wont be able to puch well cuz you kill all the creeps in like 2 seconds.
just askin.

@ 763673

We really need the Movement Speed and attack speed from S&Y also the maim to help chasing. If you buy Fury and Radiance you would be a fantastic farmer yes but we really need somes more states so i think BattleFury will do and S&Y. Even one time i tried both Fury and Radiance and what did i got as result. My item slot was full of beatiful items so it may work but u also need to be lucky enough so that ure enemies let u farm like that.

Well even after reading this guide I still hate alchemist and whats with the double orb effect? Maim is so much better than damage cleave !

cleave isnt an orb effect...


anyways, good job! You've won 2nd plave! BTW, the screenies help

Hmmm Well
@ greater-bash. LOVE BASHERS! NOW! They own.

great guide, nice screen shots, good justifying item and skill builds

10/10

no recommendations, awesome guide

lol @Mange for a quadruple post

oh yeah

good guide

maybe add something about creep blocking or juking (although this alchemist is more killing then running but maybe for early game)

vladmir's offering is missing ... 9/10

WWOOOOOOTTTT!

Great guide by you again ^^

I find that there are cases that when some players act a bit brave they end up getting killed and treated like noobs. There is a very thin line there when we should say and fight and when we should not, I think its best to be explained.

Also, I would prefer radiance over bfury for alchemist as sometimes, your stun hits at a far range and with your superior ms, you can chase your opponent and damage him without even needing to touch him. It also stacks with acid.

Gratz on getting second place! Good strat! 10/10

@those who suggested Vladimirs

HP items provide much more survivability. Lifesteal is overrated your lifesteal won't be able to do anything if you get disabled and focus fired.

Good job! No complaints except for a few typos.

bfury vs radience
bfury
its kinda interesting as in think, u farmed so hard in early game just to get some gold and u use it on an item which asks you to farm more? wheres the logic?
radience seems much better like u can still damage the opponent even when ur not attacking but bfury only works when u attack

bfury vs radience
bfury
its kinda interesting as in think, u farmed so hard in early game just to get some gold and u use it on an item which asks you to farm more? wheres the logic?
radience seems much better like u can still damage the opponent even when ur not attacking but bfury only works when u attack

Great Guide, I always wanted to use this hero 10/10
I was just wandering about the magina screenshot, he was attacking you but not "mana breaking".

nice guide, lots of neat screenshot.

i just wonder, about your "veno-fight", what's with the two belt of giant strength? planning for 2 sange? :)

i like the guide and probably you deserve #2. congrats btw.

i use radiance and 2 HoT usually. i'll try your strategy. thanks!!!

really nice guide. 10/10

very nice guild,one thing may i have 2 BF??

Nice and Clear screenies but you explained less about his ultimate

Overall, 8/10, congratz anyway

great guide, full of screenies :D id say alchemist is a bit imba because of his ulti at lvl 16... 1k hp, mass hp regen and stuff... :D

Impressive job. I have a lot of experience with Alch, and I'm glad somebody finally got off their fanny and did him justice. My only beef is with your build. I can't put my finger on it, but something seems wrong. Maybe it's because I have a similar build, or whatever, but something does not seem right. Also, I don't think you'll need too many tangos early game, as you only need to stick around until level 6. Your ult is pretty much like having unlimited tangos.

*continued*

One last thing: Goblin's Greed is more helpful mid-late game because you won't be killing creeps too often in the early levels. I'd get stats/Acid Spray instead.

However, all of this is eclipsed by the fact that this is the best Alchemist guide I have seen here. Good job, and you deserve that second place.

*NOTE* I was going to submit a similar Alchemist guide, but I didn't have the time to finish it/get screenies etc. I'll post it later, but good job all the same.

*Last note! Seriously*

An idea of useful early Acid Spray usage:

Put down an acid spray with the edge of the AOE at the creeps fighting. With the massive AOE, the enemy heroes must either leave, or stay and take damage. If they stay, then signal your partner to commence massive harassing. Just an idea.

NICE guide man! 10/10

Oh an lol at the am in your first screen, no mana break?

Great

I like that you play easy mode.
I cant stand people who are like "EM is for noobs!"
Great guide. Freaking amazing actually.

However i prefer radiance cuz u get enough regen from rage and the immolation is>Cleave cuz it stacks with acid spray and is great when chasing.

Put it in the alternate builds maybe?

Keep making amazing guides bro!

yah, thats only my prob on alchemist,

his stat gain, but this guide makes me agreed on, how strong alchemist is.

BTW, thanks for the guide and congrats to you, your second place :D

LOL Greater Bash!
GReat Job! 9.99/10 for me.


That Magina was didn't get Mana Break? lol.

If he did you might not have survived =)
(If he lasted long enough to burn all away your mana.)

and.. Vladimirs is always good late-game. If you have enough Damage Output.
It gives you +15% Damage aura including yourself and +16% Lifesteal, Armor Bonuses.

The 15% Damage aura synergies very well with your skills like Acid Spray and your items like Fury,SnY,HoT.

*Good Job!

Nice job, the screenshots in ganking and running away really helped you to 2nd I think. @ all that are saying get X item, you could say that about any strategy. Everyone has their own variations, but this one in this guide works well together.

I don't agree with youre item build(not the items but the order) i first get perseverance on the lane and with that going to the fountain isn't going to happen(asuming i have an courier to bring me items)
And u didn't mention magina or QoP as an bad enemy,shure u pawn them in late,but in early,when u depend so much on the stun,these 2 heroes can escape it with the right timing of there blink
But u did an aswome job anyway,never thought there will be an alchy strategy...

Good guide. But i think that if you do not stick too much with ur allies, and farm alone, you will get raped?

i thought it was an excellent strat and now i want to become good with a very hard to play hero!!!! good explanations.... and ive played with you before and you did really well with alchemist and killed us alot of times when we least expected it to happen.... good job and keep on playing

Well done on 2nd place, overall superb guide. 10/10

Astounding guide you have, 2nd place you deserve it by the way, who's 1st place?

i dont get the title..hehe

Hey nice guide and build but i think you were map hacking you fag!!!!!!!!!!

When your powers get replaced by pause and replay buttons it means you were map hacking.

Wtf man, earn your fucking kills you dickhead. Then use em, those screen shots were a waste!

@ maca
dude... it means he was screenshotting a replay...

Great strat for alchemist, thanks !

@ greater bash
ur called greater bash but u hate bashers...

You deserve the 2nd place
!!

Well played, Greater Bash. Well played. *claps*

great guide ! cuirass works just fine with acid spray

so...in this order to buy the items ?

1. Treads
2. Battle Fury
3. S&Y
4. Tarasque
5. Cuirass
6. Buriza

I like this guide because it has a lot of relavent screenies. Nice job. 10/10

First thx all for your opinions.

Ok lets start now again :)

@ quale

About the 2 belts. It's not and i mean NOT easy to farm in early game against a venomancer that uses wards in the beginning. Thats why i first bought all low price items i needed.( 1 for treads and 1 for S&Y)

@ Squarepant

1 BattleFury is more then enough besides u dont need any more regeneration for hp and mana because your ulti takes also care of that. More damage to cleave isnt necessary.

@ agentsci
Its not my problem that anti-mage didnt level manabreak

@ purebiatch

Nah, when the game progresses he will have absolutely no problem to survive when farming alone

@ TheJohnnys

really? ty

@ Maca

Lol don't you know how screenshots work? 0_o

@ supaplecs

When you start to begin playing well with Alchemist you won't even need the Perseverance in early game. I mostly go straight forward to S&Y after Treads

@ all

Ty for your compliments!!!

@flipper
The title is something the alchemist says after you keep on clicking on him.
another funny thig he says is "bob and weave you fool!"

ty a lot for this guide, it is amazing
Would any make serious Tinker guide?
it would be lovely

Im still thinking on a next hero i can write on but i don't know any at this moment :p We will see what the future holds

Nice guide.... But! Magina didn't have mana break and u were lvl 7 so he must've been a hell of a noob so it's not like 'pro' example. Also on the screeny where u kill both... who's first, i see only Stryg there? oO

@ extasy

A blue Magina very close to me :)

@ extasy

besides he was also lvl 7 and i didnt used my ultimate :)

Yes, indeed we do but the dmg, and asp also the 25+ str adds like, 500 hp?
U say that we need the huge hp regen in combat, it's true. But AoM can be turned on and off whenever u want to btw, even when u have AoM on and ulti too, you will gain more hp than u lose ;)

@ Imm0rtaL.

when i update this i will place Armlet in optional item built It can work well yes :) i know

Yes, indeed we do but the dmg, and asp also the 25+ str adds like, 500 hp?
U say that we need the huge hp regen in combat, it's true. But AoM can be turned on and off whenever u want to btw, even when u have AoM on and ulti too, you will gain more hp than u lose ;)

Oh yeaaa I forgot there was that dumb AM there lol. I saw when I looked over this the first time - I'm just like 'hah dumbass AM...' and I ignore it.

YOU NEGLected BUTTERfly which is most preferably perfect for alchemist

@ derick9

If you want fast attack speed Assault Cuirras will do

Man nice guide!!!
Gratz on 2th place!!!
10/10!!

But got a qeustion,, can u post a replay where u own with him:D????

1st place will bbe an invoker strat

@ Aliican

Don't exactly know how to post a replay otherwise i would have done it

Ohhh hehe^^,,, well you can make a topic and put the replay there if you want^^?

A replay in a guid idk;)

Nice alchemist guide and this one rocks! Battlefury is good for him.

I kinda always buy basilus at the beginning, cos of mana and armor need, and later turn it to vlads...

Anyway GJ.

Just a question, but what is your item order? Not just the final items, but their components? For instance, I would get the hyperstone after you get S&Y, then heart, then finish the Assault Cuirass. The extra attack speed will help you get maim more often.

great strat but in my oppinion alchemist is the worst hero EVER!!(no offence)

rly n1 bash... very detailled.
but ive found a lil mistake^^ just cross it out...

item discussion:
"He don't need it." ... u know what I mean^^

Greez

how can alchemist counter a permabasher??

Nice, 10/10. Damn, I hate that shaking skill... Always KS my prey...

I like you guys for having the psichology that lots of screenies with hero kills help very much oO replays are better always, no amtter what you sy. screenies are for showing what replays dont: hook spots, aoe of spells, range of some spells, etc...
tipical battlefurty build... radiance is waaay better. why PT and not BoT?? Oo BoT help you lane control, the damn 35-35% aspd won`t help you that much...
of course, I`m just being sarcastic... you`ve covered anything else... so you dsrv a strong 8

İ dont know if anyone said that but i preffer this build: pt - battefury - assault - and radience. You dont need HoT i think.. allreadry big hp and hp regen with your ulti.. So same more damage with radience will be so good

hey dude can u tell me how cum in the first picture of u r fight with anti mage ur mana did not leak away when anti mage was hittin u?u r mana was nearly full :P

I think armlet is better than fury...

COOl ^^ your're so smart

I know youve said that you should get power treads and buriza, BoT and Radience is still better IMO.

Very good! and it only got 2nd place?!?
How is 1st placer gonna look like

I understand choosing BFury over Radiance for farming/mana purposes even though cleave is really only for farming whereas Immolate is a much better hero-killing option. But what about replacing the Buriza in your build w/Radiance? Slightly cheaper than Buriza and has great effects for hero-killing (immolate+evasion); does anyone know the theory-craft for DPS of buriza vs radiance? It would seem a much better choice is the DPS is comparable and you are capable of farming a relic.

@ 123456

Magina didnt took Mana Break as spell instead he choose for more spell reduction.

@ Sandbag

Actually no. You should never take Radiance as your last items because it loses a bit of his effiency during late game because al the enemies heroes also are getting more hp and immolation wouldnt hurt that much anymore. So i would be no good. Otherwise go for MKB for a stun if u dont like Buriza or even another Heart.

Bravo!!...

AWESOME guide man!
congrats on 2nd place.
i followed ur guide and owned haha.
best on ground.
really well done.
once u get BF+SnY your pretty much unstoppable.

Well its alright, not how i play at all. But atleast you got Battlefury, i normaly start with 2 Bracer then get pres & radience, then battle fury. I hardly ever get S&Y i don't realy see the point. But nevertheless, you have made a good guide; everything was well explained and had some good item explanations.

Overall a good guide, 9/10 from me.

Thx all!

nice, just nice but theres 1 thing i disagree

orb of choice

i think lifesteal(hotd helps better farming) or diffusal works better, but well anyways

again too much unnecessary screens, we need replays on this guy

9/10

so if im right, KAKEE wins since he's not 2nd. s guide that has a self made vid is surely nothing usual

Hey dude^^ In Itemdiscussion u still have the sentence:

"He don't need it." Change it and I give u 10/10^^

ofc i allrdy did :P

I will change it when im also updating it :p

I understand the uses of SnY, but I often find the surprise of a Stygian Desolator to be priceless.

Acid gives -6 armor
Cuirass gives -5 armor
Stygian gives -6 armor

6+5+6 = 17

Alchemist does have a relatively low stat gain, but I feel that Desolator gives you more bang for your buck.

The key to using Stygian on Alchemist is to drop a hero down to about 1/3 hp with acid+AC aura+stygian armor decrease. Cast acid and click+wait. Channel stun when they run. Catch up and kill.

I believe that the course of the early/mid-game should determine what item you get.

If alchemist doesn't have a desirable lane matchup, he won't farm into the proclaimed and ideal hero-killer you perfectly portray.

Perhaps an alternate item set is required to build Alchemist as a support hero.

Think about it. During late game, most enemies will travel in groups of 4-5. Ganking and chasing is rarely applicable. However, with stygian, it becomes much easier to drop each hero one by one

wow ur build is almost as mine. I would change ur first point to globlin greed. Who knows u may kill a creep and so u can't gain extra money from it. Then lvl 2 and 3 u can do ur stun. No 1 will spam at u at lvl 1. Also u dun need that much strength coz his ulti covers that. But it nice to get 1. Also the hyper helps since u attack once every 10 year but ya nice guild and screenies. XD.

daMN!!!nice strategy...

Very nice guide, but I don't agree with the no escape from coconuts ^_^. It's very much like Sniper's assasinate. Blinkers can dodge em too ^_^.

Cute. But the permabash build is also considerable, you know.

@ Counter_Force[X]

ty i will see what i can do for some replays.

good guide 10/10

Does your target get a buff icon when you are channeling unstable concoction?
Great guide btw.

awesome thxxxx

Some of my own experience/advice for an updated version:

Good Allies: His best ally, IMO, is somebody like Slardar. You have two good stuns between you, and you can easily get a 20+ armor reduction. Dazzle also is nice, with a slow/armor reduction. Overall, there are few, if any heroes that Alchemist goes badly with. His versatility with support and attacking gives him a broad cast of good allies.

good strategy! can you make a strategy for phantom lancer?

very interesting, good screenshots

truthfully skadi is also a gd item for alc u wld see the wonders it does

@ danvic_ablong

Actually i hate windwalking heroes( Also Dopplewalk) but i hear somebody is making 1 for him. Forgot his name lol

really very nice! congrat for second place!

@Coco616.
-Em is for noobs :D but it's imba fun sometimes ^^ so but seriously, -Ap ftw.

@CF([X]

All of us would really appreciate it if you would stop being an egoistic idiot. Its not doing yourself good.

Imba guide dude!!!! Congrats!!!!!!!

@ agentsci = speak for yourself only. And why do YOU think so? Not that anyone else does...

great guide 10/10
cant wait to play after reading this from the office.

doesn't radiance help the goblin's greed ability? just curious, otherwise i would go with the recommended bfury

Ofc it helps but with your fast attack speed u get from your ulti bfury is better.

unless u r playing with noobs, bracer and 1 tango as starting item will be very bad.

get iron woodbraches, 2 pairs of tangoes and some clarities.

also, blink can dodge UC.

Erm it wasnt very clear in your strategy to get S&Y or Perseverance first... I'm a little confused since the item build says get perseverance 1st but when I look at the screenshots it seems you don't have perseverance. I'm kinda confused... >.

Hey the am kill wasnt really very glorified. The am at his lvl dosent pump manaburn. I can see ur mana is still full. Come on if u have mana it wud all be burned away and u wud take more dmg(since manacombusted = life combusted) so u are just fighting a noob.. Nice guid thru. 9/10.

Hey! i tried your strategy and it worked! this is a nice strategy. hope you make more

You know what? Your foes were stupid. It is a very easy thing to kill Razzil. Your foes were just dumb.

@ de-fault

When it is your first time or one of them i suggest buying Perseverance first. But if are getting the hang of it and u play Alchemist very good Perseverance early isnt needed and u can straight go to S&Y.

wow same tactics as mine

@maca

wow u must be 1 fking idiot saying greater bash is a map hacker don't u noe screenshot?? dumass

The Ulti of Alchemist ignores your initial attack speed and give you a totally different one. The Power Threads do not affect you while you are in Chemical Rage. Please explain your reasoning on choosing Power Threads instead of Boots of Travel.

Power Treads boost the new base attack speed instead of the initial one. Do you have a real argument... I swear Treads vs BoT is really a matter of opinion.

@Kiyoshi
are you frigging dumb Alchemist has his last skill which gives +60 ms
that's +60 ms,and it give's you monster regen.

sorry forgot to add,he also gains extra HP

@ Kiyoshi

I sense a challenge. Me with Alchemist and you with any hero you want! Lets see who shall win.

congratulations nice strat
do you think MoM and 2 bashers is okay for him??

@christian_santos

Y that built may work but i would never use it. Im not a huge fan of mask of madness and i just hate bashers.

Also the built u suggested is better to play in a 1v1 then. Then Maim isnt really needed.

you can harrass with unstable concoction yea? why not a ring of basilus.. for that armour in early mid game and regen? .. seeing as your vulnerable in early game?

@josephus

Chemical rage changes BAT which is different from ASPD. ASPD still takes effect in Chemical rage.

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wow great guide mate!
congrats on ur 2nd place!
i underestimated alcemist untill now
THANKS!
10/10
happy dotaing :D

i hate alchemist, but since u got 2nd prize, i shall read this.

Does any1 here know wat is the max AOE for unstable concoction??? Thx...

Now I can use Alchemist properly because of this guide. Thanks...

this guide ROCKS!!!
best and probably only alchemist guide worth reading that i've seen

@ GreatEr BASH!!!!!

nice StratEgy ....caN U make a strat. For Sand kinG (i like stunners) or StrygWyr....I know That It Will be good Cause...this strat Is Great........!

@ caustic_finale111

maybe i make one about sandking but im not sure. I don't know if anybody else is making one and i dont want to rivalise for now :p

Nice giuide indeed 10/10

bro why u only got 2nd? this guide has explained everything. u must have got 1st. bro can u make a guide for barathrum?

@ sydmon41

TY a lot. As for your question be sure to visit my newest post "Strategy for...?" There you can vote for my next guide. It could become Barathrum

9.9/10
HoT is better than buriza i think=)

beautyfull guide dude.. congrats..


only one question about your first screenshot ------> WHAT ABOUT MAGINA'S MANA BREACK????

Honestly? I've never liked this hero. I only like to play him early DM games due to farming capability. Any time I play him I get AcidSpray first with 0levels in his stun. Now thanks to your strategy, I see why I should. You've put a new spin on a hero I've never liked and made him appealing to play.
Strategy itself was very detailed with strong supported explanations and a determined build.
I DO point out one thing, which I'm sure others have already. S&Y is not on your original items list.
fix

in the magina screenshot, magina doesn't have mana break? poor noob la..

Guide was wonderful. A pure farming machine that kills heros with the addition of buriza, great teamwork with other stunners (Yes, I was playing with earthshaker, and the timing was ALWAYS perfect. 3 second stun, 3 second for me to charge, extra 5 second stun... 5 seconds of all heros beating the crap out of one poor little thing...)

Loved it.

(battle fury and lvl 4 acid spray is achieved at a similar time, which is interesting. Farming madness.)

@ EndlessWrath

S&Y IS in my original itembuilt. You just don't see the picture of it.

@ all

Thx for your opinions

I played razzil in this way:
1.BoT/Threads
2.Vladmir's Offering
3.Hand of midas
4.Desolator
5.Assault Cuirass
6.Buriza(Divine Rapiers if necessary)

i suggest sny to be replaced by deso because with razzil's acid spray + assault and effect from deso u will have a total of -19 armor and that will make ur foe totally unarmored. Razzils ulti already boost 1050hp +huge hp regen so there's no point to get another HoT for him as he needs dmg for the kill.Go for Divine if the game gets long.

hahaha...nice strat...
i wil try yh==this hero...
tnx...

i like manta style on this dude. with ur ult clones will kick ur ass.
plz explain y not doing this bot using S&Y

Alchemist is my number one favorite hero, but i usually go for a regeneration-build to boost up the awsomeness of his ulti.

Your build, on the other hand, is apparently more of a dominating-hero-killer-build, wich i've never even thought Alchemist as. Sure, you can get a few kills early and mid game with him, but by lategame i usually just act as a tank. Awsome strat, man, i'll make sure to try it out! :D

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thanks for the guide bro.. here in my place they only make fun on alchemist.. they say he is the worst hero.. but i will follow ur guide to prove them that they are wrong!

@ aeronald

Thx, let me know how it ended

wow
nice

this is so cool.. we had the same item build..

the reason he has low stat gain is because he would be too powerful with his skills if he had high stats...

lol...when play dota i gt bully by this hero...veri pro de supporter

i have a question: i like manta on this hero. clones will pwn with ur ult, tell me why i should get S&Y, and not manta.
anyway good guide 8/10

@ tsmatan

Ok

The Alchemist isn't given much into stat points so s&y covers that up. And yes i know what you are gonna say now his ulti makes that up but that is only for hp. Also because he can be so fast also with his ulti running is the best solution for him to escape and s&y gives an increase in speed and attack speed also which is also pretty nice. And of course the maim for chasing and finishing heroes.

I like your guide, but i like the other acid spray tactic more haha :P but nice work with this Mickey :)

@ Baby[blower]

Thx, a replay will come also very soon to help you more

Disagree with perseverance early on. Waste of money. HP regen? C'mon you have your ult. Mana regen? Well since you`re only using Unstable Concoction early on Perseverance/Void Stone isn't needed, RoB already covers UC and your ult (If only used when needed).

Now Battle Fury. First of all, if you're getting this for farming, forget it, and if you're getting this for damage or hero kill (since you're getting S&Y after) forget too, Radiance is a win/win on both aspects.

Continued

Ok, S&Y is NOT a bad choice, but honestly there are better. Essentially you are paying a shitload of money for a bit of everything while you can focus on being the team's tanker or a ridiculous DPSer. Armlet is ALMOST SnY attack speed with a bit less Damage while you don't waste your HP regen from your ultimate because of the degen, and hey, it's only 2850 gold. Not to say it gives you 25 STR while activated which is a _LOT_ of HP.

I agree with HoT, but HoD before AC doesn't hurt
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Disagree with perseverance early on. Waste of money. HP regen? C'mon you have your ult. Mana regen? Well since you`re only using Unstable Concoction early on Perseverance/Void Stone isn't needed, RoB already covers UC and your ult (If only used when needed).

Now Battle Fury. First of all, if you're getting this for farming, forget it, and if you're getting this for damage or hero kill (since you're getting S&Y after) forget too, Radiance is a win/win on both aspects.

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Sorry for double post. Anyway maybe you play more pub/competitive game than me, since i'ts a guide to OWNAGE Alchemist is about dealing as much damage as possible in order to kill a hero.

But there is no point to have loads of HP while some nukes can kill you (i.e Zeus w/ stactic field or Necrolyte).

Anyway congratulations and i really think S&Y is not a bad choice for starters, since armlet is hard to manage. Congrats on Dotactics 2nd winner

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Anywan don`t take my points like (mog nub) but I suggest you to try them out.

I also think that these guides ARE with the intention of leading public games players to godlike streaks,because if you don't know what items you have to do and you're playing a competitive game or clan war there's something wrong with you HAHA. so yeah by that point your guide is 10/10 (considering its easy mode)

Anyway i'm going to try it out soon in a public game =D and congrats again

Hehe.. nice job! :

Sorry if it's already mentioned - magina COULD escape your stun, if he'd ran away. If he gets REALLY REALLY lucky, he can blink while the projectile of the stun is flying, thus, avoiding the stun. ^_^ you need good ping and reflexes for this.

i actually use BOTE and IBON in farming.. easy money.. if ur gud with.. i complte all items by lvl 12 sy powertreads battlefury^^ acid spray anywer haha!

radiance first easy farming for the rest of the items.

hmm i got a even better build
mass attack speed
which is imba

Power tread
Mask of madness
Battlefury
Butterfly
Assaulter
And lastly a
Monkey King Bar

jus on yr ulti mom and u hit lky a crazy dog

Nice dude, simply Imba. Keep up N remember this

"Wa, tou ban ti pitin ki passer pu ramase kout kok dan liki. razzil ki mari!!!!!"

Only question is how do i get so much gold and how much all the stuff shall cost???? (",)!!!

nice...my fav hero too...nice work

u forgot slardar as a permastunner

good build, fragile start though... u need an early plate mail or chain mail to cover his low armor. + first item bracer is never efficient ur paying 175 gold for the bracer recipe for +1 stats

OMG I'm gonna try him immediately

11/10 !

9/10 a vlad and armlet would better and cheaper than Hot and assault

lol dude skadi does give atk speed!!!

10/10 for this guide if you ask me!

I didnt know the alchemist could be this resourceful! I thought he was a bad hero, as I had Jah'rakal and the opponent had darkbrew. I saw darkbrew getting owned time after time by the troll warlord. He couldnt come near me, cause I would go on a rampage, and he could charge his ulti cause he couldnt get anywhere near me. His teammates tried protecting him, but we used to single him out!

Anyways, Jah'rakal is one of his worst enemies!

' good strategy bro !

maot inyo sudgest

this is good.........u r all noobs, who needs 2nd HoT???

does the chanelling stun thing damage or only stun? nice guide btw never knew he could be this good i thought he was useless..

nice one

@ cheesejerky14

It damages and stuns

S and Y?? A Basher is more efficient and much better. S&Y is so easy to counter and becomes pretty much useless. The maim is may be useful but can be countered.

@ WUzz Pruz

A basher is NEVER better then S&Y!

nice job
but does the attack speed from power treads, sange and yasha and cuirass stack?

nice job
but does the attack speed from power treads, sange and yasha and cuirass stack?

Yes, why not?

wow the best strategy in this sitess... ilove alchemist.. most of my friends said that it had a big butt not gutt... but i say that he is the best hero ever... Thanks Greater BAsh .we shall meet.

well, thanks
Sorry for the doublepost

Not bad. man. thats pretty good. but i want to ask. what if you want to kill a hero then use ulti then approach then use acid spray and immediately unsatble C. you get 5 seconds of free hitting. is that possib.e?

@ Guitarstrike

Yes it is possible but only if the enemy stays near you and won't run when you are channeling your stun. The most enemys just d that, just run away so you have less seconds of stun to hit.

i hate playing with this hero before because of his low killing power i used to play him as a back up... hero ,,... but with ur guide i think i gonna try him.. gratz... by the way ... maybe i just try to play with u using ur hero and againts my fuck...

Very nice strategy, works perfect.. tried to play with him about 10 times and WOW! i got surprised by his power. he is not a hero killer in the beginning but in late mid game he gets INSANE! Congratulations for second place... looking forward to more strategies from u

Thanks

why magina doesn't burn your mana? you'd be dead already.

why would u get mana burn so early???

*Greater Bash....


Stun is way better than a cheap maim. The AS and MS dont do anytin for this Hero. His ulti provides enough AS and MS. If the enemy can move he can escape!!!

@ WUzz Pruz

Then you take the noob item Cranium basher or even 2 and be happy with it. Well i don't.

@ wuzz
youre wrong he needs the AS and the MS boost my dear.

A very nice guide 10/10
alchemist does not suck infact he's a badass killer . . .

You hate bashers ryt?
why is it your name is greater bash?

I luv it....u r soo kool !! :)

2 things to disscuss: armlet of mordiggan, and bashers, i saw alchemist out permabash troll. also skadi gives u 25% attack speed, i think thats not bad and compensates for hi crappy low stat gain.

nice guide... u shud include in worst enemies invis ppl lyk weaver sa bh it's so annoying when ur channeling in a farming without fog they just ww

wow
nice guide
really help me
thanks a lot!
10/10

NICE! , im a pro now lol.

just say mirana leaped/ magina blinks when u are casting yr unstable concoction..then wouldn't it cancel??

anyway...nice strat 11/10

Hm very nice guide, but I saw Alchemist with basher. Because of the ulti and few attack speed items it was permabash. I think that it would be better to replace the Buriza with Basher and if we can do it after we gain some attack speed ( I mean in the middle game ). Hope I helped

Oh and one more thing. About the first fight (with the Magina). I see he didn't have his feedback which is stupid if he would rush you like that. The example with the Magina is not that good (nothing personal).

great guid, but that was a noob magina... he didn't burn a single mana point in the first encounter you screened...
but it's 10/10 guide great job.

good guide. the screenshots are awesome. but even with tons of regen i still get lifesteal cause i get armlet. but maybe i should try S and Y and i pretty sure it would be good to.

amazing guide thnx alot !!!

if your attack speed is faster than 1.2
does your ulti stack on it or does it change it to 1.2?

Wow, I can't use him before, but I'll know I'l like to use him!
Great Strat! 10/10

Congratulations for the 2nd place.
Really good strategy!

sorry but the skills build and item build is horrible he it should build concussion and acid spray for team battles. and all he needs is vangaurd and farming for assault is easy. for some dps get him deso that's it end of story.

This is the best guide i've seen so far. Great job. but i have a few suggestions, why don't we get skadi and radiance? as u said, skadi adds more stats, and why do we need movement speed, when we can slow 100% everytime. And radiance and do additional damage during the time the target is slowed. Maim doesn't trigger alot, so there might be a chance the target would escape, cuz he has no other slowing spells.

Even though battle fury has splash damage, and high regen, the only spells that alchemist spam are unstable concusion and ultimate. concusion has cd, so it might only be used 2-3 times during a kill. and ultimate only cost like 150 mana, which is not much. Splash damage is not as useful for hero killing, unless they stand around in a group. Radiance deal area damage, which would be a complement to the 100% slow. even though we have low attack speed, the 35 damage/s cna compensate the loss.

I didnt liked this hero...maybe Ill try it later, great guide!

ummm yeh i got a question i reckon with ur build u cant chase like sb cos ur still too slow so i reckon u need skadi instead of sny and also this guide doesn't tell the mana cost and the cool down of the stunn.

Not trying to critisize just asking

Great guide...9/10

rly nice guide, dude!
keepit goin´!