Bish's Guide: Banehollow, a hero in more ways than one!

Very in-depth guide and well planned and set out good work

I think your guide includes too much, and should focus more on Banehallow rather than a universal DotA guide. Focus it more and it's got what it needs. I liked that you had different builds for different situations, both items and skills. 8/10 until it gets trimmed though.

Great guide. I was thinking why there was only one commnet... ..Since there was already a banehallow guide before. Nice guide!
The micro-managing part is good, helped me a lot 10/10 nice one

BUTTERFLYS ON BANEHOLLOW
THIS IS MADNESS
WHAT THE FUCK MAN

BUTTERFLYS ON BANEHOLLOW
THIS IS MADNESS
WHAT THE HELL MAN

I like how you dont get S&Y but the other items just arent his best. Radiance is unnecessary fo sho. Vanguard is useless.
I prefer ONE basher, and make basilius into vlads.

great guide, altho your items section's misplaced(but then again, its built for many builds...) 9/10 :D

Pretty good guide! 10/10

GALing!!ASTIG!! nice work man! LOLZ!

a very good guide with much unuseful information. i don't think that every guide needs a new creep-blocking guide... but ofc you want to impress for the contest.
so... 10/10^^

U acquired a double kill because u were lucky there was a mine

Yo bish , just a reminder , howl removes DD if you use it

well thought through very nice guide..
jeeze what did 1st place make?

lol at the no item build under item build section due to have so very many different builds to choose from (or is my computer screwing up again?)

anyway i like the guide and that's what counts.

After reading this im glad ive never palyed Agianst bish using WOLFY!

its says 'seeing micheal jackson in thriller' i craked up at dat AND ur build not bad around 7.5/10 lolz

very good guide!!! but you forgot raigor in ur enemies....his echo slam hurts and kills ur ally wolves...but anyway, gud strat 9/10

one of the most detailed guilds i've ever seen more detailed than some of the most detailed one's on DS WOW! pls type more for the midgame. Also in earlyer game u need more item mixing in between but nvm about that overall very high marks and also highest marks for me (i dun put marks) nice job and come up with another 1. XD.

nice guide man!
and to think this is your first guide

nice guide... GJ here... though i noticed that you had little to say on what to do during early-mid-and lategame... but still.. very detailed guide... though i dont think RoB is needed early since you dont need mana regen... and out of curiousity does the huskar in your pic have BS in his build??... coz i cant imagine hiskar getting harassed by lycan.. >

sorry for the spelling in my comment.. i just woke up lol.... in your carry build you had 2 butterflies??... why not replace the other one with an AC...
and in your DPS build replace the other BFly with an MKB... just a suggestion... cause the other bf doesnt help that much...

cool guide, funny how 2 banehallow guides come out at the same time, although both are different but both are really good haha

Pretty long... but nice. Will rate after testing.

OK. As I said with the last one, theres not a lot to add and I am struggling to comprehend that this is, in fact, all that needs to be explained.
Screenies are a little small but you do have a lot of them (I have lots of big ones but meh).
Good explanation on the HotD use, most guides ignore this... buut, the alternate item builds all have this weird obsession with twin Butterflies... its understandable on Agility heroes, but Lycan? One maybe. I was criticised for getting two for Spider. Next...

I won't go into detail on those builds, but suffice to say that its a bit over the top. Butter-Cuirass would be much better on Lycan, seeing as you're already not getting the most you can from the Butterfly (being Strength), why get another one? Cuirass AND twin Butters, I don't know why you'd do that for your "DPS build".

Fiddle with those builds some more and add a starting item build perhaps, I do know why you didn't put anything in the itembuild section of the template.
8/10 until editing.

10/10, good guide, but maybye you should include Blood skeeker in your ememies section- Rupture=gg since you cant run away... also any silencers who stop you from using wolf-form

BAH another Wolf guide.
This one is up there too.

Very well layed out, and in-depth : >

okay i dont understand, why should a section of guide that applies to all heroes are up there? creep blocking? last hitting? link em, better

the build
okay i wont ask why you choose butter as AC is better. why? the aura.
you wolf gets them too, not the 15% aspd that matters, the -5 armor is.

a carry hero like this one dont need 2 butter, radiance is better

and also, BoT is better, you have sufficient aspd from shapeshift to make full use of BoT. this is favorable since the 10+ str is sexy

lastly, your build terribly lack survivability

disable>lifesteal

get BKB

Very Detailed guide and screenies
but i'd rather get vlad and basher

7-8/10

i believe it's a good guide but kiettana's is better, but your easier to understand

Firstly, I won't compare this to the previous bane guide.
Anyway, heh, how come you got 2 butterflies? One's okay. But 2? no no no no... Assault benefits lycan so much more. It gives aspd to his wolves too! And i wish people talk less bout pulling. Not many people know how to do that. Thats why it gives me an advantage in games. Your guide is very well detailed. Though I wished you did something like a hero killing, farming and escaping section in each part of the game

btw, please try to fix the screenies... It kinda messes up your guide and makes it harder to read. A little bit confusing here and there sad to say. This guide is overall quite okay I guess

Benehallow is one of the most easy hereos...

no need for a strategy...

heroes*

I LIKE IT,IT SO NICE MANY TACTIC WE CAN LEARN FROM THIS STRATEGY

Too much on general strategy. And IMO you should get bigger screenies. Other than that it's a good guide.

Too much luck... u got less than 1/4hp when u killed Ezalor, and less than 100hp when killed Luna(with a help of the 600dmg mine) Also i don't see why Barathrum didn't charge u since he had his spells on CD, and charge goes through FoW and stuns... I think u should have stable kills with 50%+ hp, not lucky crit shots that kept u alive :)

why always the strategies go for expensives items, like if allways you have a perfect game, not always you will be able to farm a lot, u have to be more realistic on your guide, remember you have allies, and enemies...

And another Banehallow guide hits DS...
Another fine piece of work, this one goes more in depth about the possibilities when playing him, rather than a single build...
But still, I liked the other one better... Much easier to understand in my opinion (to be honest, too many screenies hurt my eyes as bad as chunks of text do to some people)...
Still good anyway, 8/10

why not butterfly on banehallow?

butterfly is good as cuirass,

i gives evasion and attackspeed, eventhough it only gives 30 damage on str heroes,

nice guide bish,

your guide is so long,
i think this is the longest guide i've ever read on DS

goodluck to you ^^,

pipau06-garena
mirana0406-DS

What butterfly doesn't give is the extra armor Assault Cuirass gives, which is great for someone who is made to be chasing someone down no matter what... And also lacking the -5 armor, further improving your damage... The 30 agility points given by butterfly will mainly go to waste on this guy, while ALL of the bonuses on Assault Cuirass work for you, and not only that, but wolfies get bonuses too... All that together is nasty indeed...

nice guide
congrats on ummm
9-4=5
5th place!!
right?

i wud say its alot better than the superwolf guide for 4

when i play banehallow, i get basiulus and rush to mkb . i suually starrt jungling when i reach level 3(wolves level 2) and leave a strong hero at the botoom solo so he could level faster. after mkb i get cuirass or if the guy on the sopposing team are good, i get bkb.

Y a long guide for an easy hero...

anyway gj although i dont agree for all...

waooooooo
very completed guide!!!!
also i don't like the item build but, creep blocking, gankins, deny...man you cover everything

wow, a guide without an item section, interesting. will read it and then comment

Now that I've read it
Awesome guide. covers everything. you might want to add something about how to lane against different opponents (ranged vs melee). nice screen shots, great descriptions, just move stuff into their right locations.

10/10 (it would be more but I can't rate that high)

Good strat

to expensive items.just go for
basher,heart,travel if basher not enough go for another one

Hmm, not a bad guide. I think your item build is not very conventional, but that doesn't mean it's not very effective. I will try it out and see how that works. Anyhow, you do seem to justify it well. However, I do agree with Shimrra_3 that the "alternate" builds are a bit ridiculous --> farming for 2 bflys and other level 4 items without any intermediate items is no easy task; it makes him too vulnerable early/mid game. Stick with your original build, it's much more balanced.

a nice and long guide. lots of info too, where 20% i think is general. congrats for getting #5!

well, a lot of people here already gave their concerns and i agree on most of them. i won't add up anymore.

correct me if i'm wrong, but evasion on butterfly doesn't stack. So i'm not sure y u would get two for a str hero. Also some of your item builds are pretty unrealistic unless u have a really long game. Otherwise a good guide...9/10

Sooooo . . .comments already ehh . .

err . . CFX . . i know you'd bite my ass! your such a critic . .

i'd like to point out something to all of you . .

"MY FIRST GUIDE"

hooray! . . .

be nice to me ok?

Remember: This is guide works for me! . .that is why i made this . . if you don't approve . then screw you! . . read other guides! . .harhar! . .

And oh . .

i'd like to create more guides for you people . .

but i have logging in problems here in DS . .

Harhar . .

i did said it's good
but not possible o.O

Wow, it actually took me two sessions to finish this guide. It gives a lot of general way of playing dota, and butterfly?? banehallow has enough to kill, butterfly is just overkill. And especially with radiance. I would rather have assasult than butterfly.

And it sees you like stacking a lot, twin butter? twin basher? twin heart?

But thats just my opinion.

i suggest removing butters and adding mkb

Yeah,,why butterfly?
what the F*ck man!!!

Am I the only one who can't see the item build? A decent guide, I think guide released last for this hero was slightly better, even though yours ranked up higher. I don't think the whole section on all - round dota play was necessary, a link maybe would be better.

Hey i made this guide 1 week before submission .

got carried away with the screenies . .

had a hard time arranging them . .

errr!. .

its possible . .

i did . .

thats why i posted it here . .

hey if the game does not reach that long you would even need the items i suggested . .

common sense!

unfortunately getting even 1 butter is weird

and also HoT is better due to HP issues when chasing

LOL ..

your thinking of different situations ..

no HoT but more damage . .less distance to chase . .

hmm nice guide, however, u said feral is maxed first to allow better last hitting, but doesnt howl makes u even better at last hitting?

Vlads, manta, Sange are also good items to consider!

Oh okay, good work bish, lots of effort put into it I can see. Screenies are a little small and most of the comments I would like to state have already been said. I like the way the guide continues to capture the interest of the reader.

Errr . .

my very first guide . .

a little bit shaky . .

i'll try to make better guides the next time around . .

harhar . .

this one was a practice guide . .

errr!

Comment my own work .

harhar . .

uhmm . .

a bit messy . .

with small screenies . .

got overboard with the basic guide . .

uhmm . .

the item guide is lacking in explanation . .

good allies and enemies aren't really complete . .

but hey . .

not bad. .

got 5th place for mah 1st guide . .

harhar!

Nothing wrong with butterfly Shadowcharm. Nice guide but i prefer sny as he gets 522 ms and vlads.

a nice in-depth guide.
but it gets a bit too long and booring, take out some of the stuff that goes for all heroes, make the guide only about lycan
to make it a bit more interesting to read and not too long

Nooo . .

everything in the guide is about lycan . .

argh . .

Wow... That took me a while to read...

If you go put his core items in the "itembuild" section, i will grant you 10/10, and I am sure alot of people would get happy! The reason? When i started to play -ar games, as a newb, i always quickly Alt-tab'ed to firefox and checked the skill- and itemsbuild for the randomed hero, which is impossible with tis guide... I am sure other newbs do this too!

Great guide ^^ 9/10 (and 10/10 with the item section filled out)!

OMG this is the guide x_x ive been waiting to see Perfect 10/10 better than the other guy....who made a lycan guide


Wondering why you still have 4 stars

Good job though if i wasnt so busy making dota vids id probabbly go back making guides xD probabbly my 4th good job yet again

@ blooo - about the other bane guide...she's not a guy..lol

and read the comments why he got 4 stars... i think the others explained it.... but still i think this is still a decent guide...

Overall nc guide bishounen2k8... i give you a 10/10... i have'nt see you active in the forums lately bish.. here in ds..

I like the satanic and radiance build. Double butterfly is odd for Lycan. I didn't even consider buyingn 1 butterfly for him. In addition, there's a double basher build . Boi that build sucks for Lycan believe me.That will delay the killer impression of Lycan. Your screenies are too small bleh!! I'll give you 8/10. Keep it up, certainly nice for 5th placer guide

By getting a early vanguard you are missing out on some serius killing power early game.

There is no point in getting Vanguard - Banehallow got a good str gain couple that with a few bracers, which also provides some much needed mana, and the fact that threads can provide +10 str (190 hp), and you can clearly see that vangurd is nothing more than a defensive crap item that you don't need.
Instead I would suggest getting a MoM.
With his low BaT in Wolf form and the increase in ms he is gonna be

netting kills pretty easily.
If you could.. Making a jungle mini-guide for Lycan would be nice.

Also.. Where is the BKB?! A Lycan without bkb is worthless, and can be disabled even with linken.
Give him a BKB and he can wreak havoc on the enemies for 9 sec which normally is a kill or two.

I won't rate yo guide over 5/10 if you don't include bkb in the main build, even though it is a nice overall dota guide - the item build is still rather.. strange.

Drop the vanguard, get bkb and i rate 10/10

Btw lawl at the character limit...
It may seem like I am dropping a pile of shit in your head, but know that I think it is a good guide.. Just include bkb

ZANMATO says:

all in all nice guide!
format is good, every guide should be like this one. detailed and clear!

good enough guide...
item build isn`t the best
but gj

takes so long to describe your skill sets and gameplays yet have a scrub item build... (vanguard???)

Another wolf guide??
I thought they chose the best guide if they happen to be the same. Anyway, I read it and a diff item build from the other lycan guide. radiance is nice but the double butterfly is intriguing

good guide

@ gonz22

Is that so? IDC what gender that guide maker is


IMO i really think this guide 5stars


Even though he screwed up in the bfly part stacking bflys isnt cool...>_> 1 bfly is enough

IMO This guide is detailed enough for readers to understand though the build is ok what matters is the quantity and the quality thats how you rate a guide got it?

still @ gonz22 sori for the double post just add this to my comment

Besides Kiettana screwed up too at the perma bashing build

lol mkb and bashers

Hmm well youve got a point both guides deserve 5 stars they both accomplished the Quantity(Information) and Quality(Presentation) category..stil i hope this guide gets 5 stars....not being biassed cuz he is a filipino xD but as a fellow dota player and guide maker

great guide but i think item build is wack!!!!!!!!!

comeon man no S&Y and get vlads instead of satanic.16% dmg plus howl= ownge.plus S%Y u will always hve max ms and can maim no one could run think about it. and why didnt you suggest to lose ring of bassilius.7/10 because i know u put alot of hard work into it.

@Saiyuki

Can't really log in that often using my PC into DS . .

not like before . .

don't really know why . .

thats why i'm not that active in the forums anymore . .

*sigh*

but you could still catch me in EF . .

Nice guide, it covers the tactics but I disagree with the builds.

Lycan's stat gain and extra boost from items is enough. You don't need to add stats until all of your skills are maxed.

The item build is what I'm having problems with. Vanguard isn't needed since your wolves will be bashing the enemies and they won't land many hits on you. Most of the times, you will be chasing and not running from enemies. Vladimir's is a much better choice than HotD for Lycan since it gives bonuses to wolves

And yes, I'm another fan of SnY on Lycan. I prefer grabbing SnY over Radiance or MKB. 35 damage/sec with Immolation isn't worth the 10% chance on maim or the extra speed boost that is offered by SnY. The 30% chance of mini-stun on MKB isn't as good as the maim, which can be used for the wolves to chase and permabash. HotD isn't actually that bad since it can be used to make Satanic, another good item on Lycan.

a very detail guide
good job

nice strategy..

shall try it..

You also use them absorb damage such Luna’s Eclipse (agree) and Lich’s Chain (LOL).

LICH's Chain???? LOL

why do you cr8 your wolves agains lich's chain ?!? fooL

If you have allies then the Wolves can tank some bounces for the team. But obviously if you're alone, that Chain will deal a lot more to you with Wolves than without them...

i love your guide..........but i more prefer two bashers and not ROB because make the enemy east to recognize use if u use back stab.....anyway i give 8/10.......nice guide!!!!

LOL . .

add bounces in clashes with the wolves . .

common sense man, . .

Lich won't use Chain Frost at you when you're alone! . . .zzzz . .

when your paired with another hero . .thats when Lich would most porbably use Ulti foo! . . .

Use wolves! decrease the bounces from you's two! . . .

Easy to recognize when backstabbing with RoB? . .

LOLed at that . . fog war? . .

high MS?

argh!

nooby item guide
go home

Nice Guide 10/10

But the Build is 8/10 for me..
I Will go for S & Y & vlads instead of Satanic

wow...super detailed man..!

y didnt u mention vlads! huhuhuhu
thumbs down! vlads sny is the way 2 go!!!

great guide!
i also love using butterfly on str. or int.

nice guide,super-detail also :)
but i guess i prefer sny & vlads than satanic :)

P treads, Vlads ( mana regen 'n' lifesteal 4 u n ur wolves), SnY, Buriza..........works the best

nice guide a 8/10 the items though are not suited for him. just go for the vlads and SnY and you will be fine

nice guide a 8/10 the items though are not suited for him. just go for the vlads and SnY and you will be fine

@bish me too.. i'm having problems logging here at ds.. that's why i'm in ef to..

Very good strat for a very good hero

@Saiyuko

Ahhh . . no more foruming in DS for me i guess . . i'll stick to making guides . .

harhar

nice one....strengthned my belief in banehollow

hmm nice guide!!!
But 2 Butterflies defenitly does not stack!!!
But keep going and make some other guides

s and y gives him 522 ms in wolf form..

and vlads gives his solves lifesteal and more damage..

sorry man im not impressed

Nice Guide Man.. ....i beyond GODLIKE my fren using ur guide...21-10....=)

WHAT THE FUCK!!

Great frikkin guide! Im inspired. Banehallow is my new fav. Thank you.

11/10 (Ill make it work alright)

Great guide, although what ever happened to the pictures? "This image has been moves or deleted"? Anyway, well explained on every aspect, 10/10

i think SnY with Vlad's is better than satanic. thats the way i play him.

I changed the path of the screenies . .

will be fixed . .

with the new buff with Lycan . .

i'll edit this soon. .

You are so in trouble with this version... not a single one of Lycan's skills is unchanged. *shudder* good luck with that...

Ohh. And THAT is why I stopped using photobucket...

You have no life. This guide was longer than a fucking Harry Potter book.

@ bish

you said you'll fix the images and update this guide, we'll wait for that.

why focus on creating other hero guides while your lycan guide will kick ass due to the changes on 6.53. really, many will be interested on your lycan guide if you'll just concentrate in this one first and update.

this guide is still fresh. please update it.

Oops. legendary15 has a warning. How very unfortunate.

The funniest way to play Lyncan is go 3 bashers and summon ur max wolves. Can u say perma STUN?!?

nice strategy. my item build is: vladmir,S&Y,yasha,buriza,2x bracer i sell it for HoT and power treads and i was beyond godlike + solo roshan

You may try to fix the screenies from photobucket

You better go imageshack, i remember when i used photobucket, i had to do whole my strategies just for the lousy screenies

Yes. Imageshack > photobucket-is-crap. Swap!

I would feel horrible to be you seeing as this current strat has become obsolete as of lycans incredibly imba buffs imo + half ur strat is dominated by pics so photobucket has routed you icant wait for the update im really looking forward to it cheers mate!

I Reffer Treads,Curias,Satanic,HeartOfTarasque,
2 Butterfly Or Butterfly Burizaa... It'a A Great Killer As U Have Expected.

Let Me Explain You The Butterfly Effects On STR Heroes... It's Good To Use Butterfly On STR Heroes... So They Can Match Up Bash Heroes Like Faceless Void,Troll Warlord, Slardar, Barathrum And Of Course Heroes That Can Use Craium Basher(Item)...

In depth guide, however no screenies work >.< . I guess I was lucky the others wrned me of not using photobucket ^^.

Let's make an international campaign to pwn photobucket!

9/10

All the pics have been removed

Stupid photobucket ruined my guide!

wtf!

I understand the guide but the image has been removed..AW

bullshit

Well, why not work to vlad's first for lv 7 roshan pwnt? takes only 1 min,, givves you lv 9 immediatly, and a aegis, and money for the team. just go heart 3 wolves 4 at lv 7, with boots ( of speed) and vlads its done very easy.

your guide rules bish2k8, i killed nevermore and traxex i 1v2 game.. even though they have lothar's edge.. i still killed them both.. iwas attacking nvermore and traxex was attacking me too! i activate satanic when i was in red life... i got a double kill!!! thx to your guide! make more please!

Totally crap guide, 2 butterfly in every single build OMFG he is str based not agi Sange & Yasha is a MUST HAVE . shitty sucky guide

your guide's pics are all gone :(

nice guide .... i prefer vladimirs rather than dominator/satanic

Fix screenies Bish

good guide. I'm going to try using this hero. I like the micro managing part. Overall, i would rate it 9/10. Good job.

getting double butterflies would be great if the evasion stacked. Since it doesn't, it pretty stupid. Get another damage item which would in turn help lifesteal and increase survivability. If you played with any of these builds, I would love to see you be able to kill my troll even once.

dude.....wyf,y helm?????blads way better coz ur wolves get lifesteal as well then....with vlads just ur 2 wolves alone can kill a hero!idiot!sad guide 2/10

For a not-so-pro ( ha ha ) like me this is a great guide, didin't need the jungling ganking denying part but the items part was especially usefull. thx !

wtf reading this made me believe that ur banehollow