EniXBlaze's guide to Raijin - "The Rampage Of Thunder God"

Ei, first one.

Very visual, I love it. Very informative, well-planned and well-executed. No arguments on every section.

Great badass guide! Will try it later.

Great strategy it has a lot of detail.

youre a NOOB, kid!!! your skill and hero combos suck! as if it is that easy to execute!! hahahaa! why dont you try impetus + grapple? that is if you are that noob

Nice 4th comment!

hmm your guide is really informative and detailed. i gotta give you props on that.

i like your ocmbos with the ulti.

one thing is wrong. the percentages of the combos working are usually not that high. people in dota these days dont always cooperate with your combo ideas. well, in pubs at least.

anyhow, great guide 9/10!

one more thing. you mustve taken forever to make this.

lol :)

Ei, first one.

Very visual, I love it. Very informative, well-planned and well-executed. No arguments on every section.

Great badass guide! Will try it later.

Ei, first one.

Very visual, I love it. Very informative, well-planned and well-executed. No arguments on every section.

Great badass guide! Will try it later.

Ze Cream de'la cream Le Magnifico

Best Ranji Guide around !!

detailed and clear. 9/10

Nice...

@Leterojane: You have your right to opinion but no need to put someone down Noobsauce

@EniXblaze: Very good guide, took my a bit to read through it all, you builds are quite decent and good strategy and it's well detailed I like how you go over the different builds, very good guide for beginners and veterans alike 10/10

lesterojane is an idiot. Pay no attention except for, say, 'how to get myself banned from forums'.

@ Guidemaker - this is great. I honestly can't play Storm, but suffice to say that this has everything the last one had, plus screenies and better Ult Combo work (better than none). I would say 10/10.

Things you forgot: Yasha is not an orb effect, Sange and SnY both override and have a relatively low chance to trigger, therefore it would essentially stack; PLUS the SnY is also fine just for the movespeed. Overall, as with the other Raijin guide, you've simply decided that Maelstrom/Mjollnir is the ONLY ORB FOR RAIJIN. That is not true! The one to make this guide work, yes, but its ALLOWED for people to get a Diffusal or a Desolator instead.
As said a coupla comments ago, the % chances you've put on the combos are completely a) unrealistic and b) useless. I'll add that the names are kinda screwed up too but thats not important as we know what they mean.

I say again, 10/10.

Great guide but I normally can't pump past mjollnir before the game ends

Very detailed and clear though, you get a 10/10 from me brother!!!

@lesterojane
If you're so pro, y don't you try writing a guide and have it approved!

Great guide i love all the indepth info and screen shots+images 10/10


much more informational than other rajin guide and i like your build better too

woah mehn how long did it take you to make this guide !! so kewl mehn i luved it and im gonna try it out thx again

Nice,new guide.Hadn't had a new one for 18 days!!Great guide,long one,saometimes I go for Desolator,not Mjollnir.10/10 from meh!

Ok...very very good guide


Hmmm...its better than the other raijin guide ill give it that.


Maybe id play this guy at our next game hehehhe looks like fun again anyways My PL guide is taking too long i decided to stop making it for a while ill resume making it after i get my Report card.


You gave me a Cool new idead


Thunder grapple->>> 15 lancers??? Looks cool to mee
ill try putting that in my guide

Woops big typo "Idea" not idead anways please add this to my other post...


Hmm for 7050 Gold you can complete eye of skadi....Why dont you complete Mjolnir firts? 3400? Yes skadi is effective but...i still have doubts You still kill faster with Mjolnir if thats the case.

Anyways what do you think if you look at most pubbies The game ends after you have made

Maelstorm,treads, Guinsoo and 2 Ultimate orbs or even 1 of these.

this is a great guide i just got 1 question?
if i use barrier lvl 2 (300) and lion uses finger do i take 150 (450 - 300)
or does the finger go though the barrier and i take 450

Time Splitter - Void

My Idea on the name

Informative

Incredible! Such cool details!

MAD! Rofl copter than last combo is like ownage.... Anywazzz 10/10 ... Very good guide

@lesterojane Lol... First of all.. what a gay name.. and second of all Shut up and write your own guide

This gonna become
TOP STRATEGY

OMG ! People seems really enjoyed my guide ! THANKS everyone ! I 'd like to have some words:

@Anxty47:
Thank you very much for asking this question ! ...First I made it in non-stop 5 hours. Then my browser accidentally went wrong ---> remake ! More 3 hours to rebuild it fast. Then I realized that this guide was so wrong in many aspects (especially the Combo Section). It must have taken me at least 7 times to edit and check some information, each time 2 hours I believe ! My parents kept yelling at me:" You gonna fail university !" when I turned on my PC ! Total 22 hours ( not non-stop !)

@Leterojane:
What I want to tell you... Everyone has done it !

@Who gets annoyed with the percentage:
I have my own DotA clan and every members understand the others so well ! My calculation is applicable if all your teammates is sensible players.

@Shimrra_3
S&Y is nice... It takes 5100 gold to make ! Why don't you spend that much gold on Sheeptick or 2 Ultimate Orbs !

@GiGa_WooTAgE
Barrier works like Aphotic Shield i believe. Assumption: you have only 100 HP left and have just casted Barrier on yourself. Sniper casts Assassinate ! *BLOW* You still live !

*Next part of my long message*
@Blooo
Love your guides alot !
I make EoS first because it can provides much more stats than Mjollnir. By the late game you may score a kill very fast but without a all-around EoS you may die quite fast too ! One more thing is: when your enemies know that you are strong, they always prepare to flee away so Cold effect will do its job !

@Shimrra_3(again T_T)
I 'd like to give "nicknames" to the combo(s) because it makes me (or you too) much easier to remember it ! Isn't it fun when you kill them with a combo then yell the name of it ? They will carve it into their mind (just kidding )

@People who doesn't like Mael/Mjollnir
Dif.Blade = 1 target + Purge = 1 kill.
Deso = 1 target + -armor = 1 kill.
Mael/Mjo = multi-target + mass damage when it procs = >1 kills + mass farm.
Which one do you prefer !

This gonna become
TOP STRATEGY

great strategy i think this will do second on the bezt strategy

Holy SHIT!!!!! Very2 long guide! But very helpful... Nice job!

Holy SHIT!!!!! Very2 long guide! But very helpful... Nice job!

This is a great guide and this is the build that i came up with when this hero came out(minus sheep stick). The guide explains a lot and ignore anyone that says different. Keep it up.

Like what all the others mentioned this is a very well made and informative. I never knew that a fully charged Raijin will have glowing hands. I used to count the number of attacks to figure out when will overload come out

might i suggest that raijin is good w/ leviathan too.. ^^ Grapple + ravage.. ^^

nice strategy.. ^^

addition to my previous comment:

Ok now for some constructive criticisms:

1) Electric Rave is a no no early game no matter how many clarities you have. Attack speed will not help you last hit and deny better unless you auto attack. Instead you should time your last hits and max out overload ASAP.

2) Although I have to agree that mojollier is a powerful DPS Raijin is a int hero and he doesn't need all the extra agility, a MKB or a Radiance would be a better option don't you think?

That's all I can think of right now good job on the guide all in all. I actually learned something thanks.

Very well made guide. I agree with fwi on the topic of mjolliner, maelstrom should be more than enough till very late game.
MKB is quite a good option but i don't see how it would fit into your item build so leave it out.
Overload is actually PURE damage like arcane orb arcane orb or glaives of wisdom ( which you left out).
10/10

only thing i disagree with is no deso =

10/10!
informative! love it and thanks

Dude you own this guide! Nice one!
It took you quite the effort to do this and it rocks!

Raijin, i think is best to play with any AOE Heroes.. With L.Grapple, escape is minimal or none..

i think fwii has a point, max out overload.. then E.Rave.. the bonus will help farm early game.

I tried Mask of Madness on him early game.. life steal/berserk and overload does the job.
He was INSANE!

Then I traded it for a Mjollnir..
He became beyond godlike..

(Sorry, but its hard to make a mjollnir.. i had to think of something early game..)

Oopsie what i meant was you 'own' the guide.. as in you the best guide for Raijin.. you already own the guide in the first place..

Didnt really like the guide. How did you deduce the 80% increased attack speed is approximately 4000 gold? You another 'em' player? I learned nothing, except another item build that people love to share. How did you calculate the statistics as well. It's rather irrational. Also instead of massing Eul's people tend to get 1-2 Mekansm(s) and 1-2 Nercomican(s)depending on the League match, and I'm sure no one in pubs will agree to buy a Guinsoos for their void. This hero isn't the best for teamwork. I wonder why I don't see him used in League games?

profesional player! luv the strategy

Numerous contradictions and simplistic view of the game. Good for low-level games where the enemies will not be attempting to disrupt your plans.

Agreed this is gonna be one of the best guides here in DS


....Oooh cant wait till our next game ...... Im gonna use raijin rush skadi and guinsoo and pawn the frickin hell out of my classmates bwhahahah (0_O) bwahhahahahah

i was told tht having EoS/other orbs will reduce mjolnir/mael chance to release chain lightning. issit true?

I like the strategy! They are really in order and very understandable! Thumbs up!

i was told tht having EoS/other orbs will reduce mjolnir/mael chance to release chain lightning. issit true?

sry 4 double post but overload description says tht it will cause a minor purge-like effect.does it remove buffs?

^ Well,when it says that it has purge effect,perhaps it will remove buffs dunno.

@loze.
I think what he meant by 80% attack speed = 4000 gold is the price of 1 and a half hyperstones or something. lol

But loze has a point that Raijin isn't the best hero for team work. Grapple isn't as reliable as blink or swap and it's preferable that your allies buy blink dagger for themselves.

@ loze = I don't think you realise that less than 100% of people play League games only. Why don't you shove it guess-where, honestly; you'd think you are the BEST PLAYER EVERRR... 'another em player' honestly. I have not seen a single good comment from you. Ever. What was it for my guide... 'This will only work on pubs mate.' and that was all. Five stars thank you very much. Someone make a League-only site for ELITISTS.

@ fwii~ = lol. I can't play Storm for sh*t and I knew about Overload. Sucks to have to count 'em lol...

@ EniXBlaze = true on both counts. SnY is easier to farm than 2 Ultimate Orbs though. On the other hand there is Maelstrom. So you win.

I should do a poll: how many people play in League games. We'd certainly see then wouldn't we.

I didn't double post, this is an illusion... you saw nothing I tell you!

Answer : I never played a league game, don't even how?? I only play pubs.

To EnixBlaze, Nice informative strat with a little bit about everything !

HOWEVER, I play rajin a lot and I never ever bought INT items on him except ROB early game.

You don't need the manna.. I can push a late game very easy without having to reeturn constantly for manna, and when I have to , I can use my BOT/ulti.

You need DPS

My build is ..

Butterfly.. Hyperstone.. Mjolnir.. BOT.. ROB and HOT

That's right. DPS.. Not INT !
Going guinsoo for Rajin is just paying 5000 for a Hex abiltiy

holy crap. WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE"RE NOT WORTHY! I can't wait to try out your strats! And i love the names of the combos. A++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1000/10 maybe best guide ever created.

@100pct_skillz

YOu build has even less DPS than his, Remember Raijin is an INT hero and he doesn't get damage from Agi items, getting all that attackspeed and having little to no damage isn't a good idea.

Answer: I don't play league games either

@100pct_skillz
hex is deadly combined with dmg and his eletric rave cuz you can dish out the pain cuz its FULL DMG when hes hexed for 3 seconds.

I've seen no guide that doesn't have criticizm.. Shimra is right, I've haven't ever seen Loze commented nice on a strategy! It's always about the negative side. And he always link his comment to a pro guide. I believe when you try to create a guide, it says there that you need to dedicate your guide to the noob and beginners not to the pros coz they already know the do's and dont's. Like my humble bestfriend taught me, always look by the effort not by the output. PEACE!!

Excellent guide, lots of work, and the gushing "OMG, I LOVE THIS GAME" that exudes from the author pushes this to a 10/10 from me

@loze
Agreed with everyone else, please be a little more constructive. 4000 gold = 1 1/2 hyperstones, which is I believe what the author is referring to (although it's more like 3200).

Agreed with fwii - Mjollnir is not cost effective after Maelstrom. It gives you 30% IAS, 5 damage, 50 damage to your farming nuke, and some armor. That is not worth 3400 gold.

For anyone thinking that this panda is not team friendly, let me point out a scenario:

3 heroes from Sent are pushing Scourge mid tower. They are attacking the tower with some creeps, and one of the heroes are close to the entranceway to the little gnoll creeps. Panda appears out of this entranceway, and grapples that unfortunate hero ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TOWER, where two other heroes are waiting to pummel him to the ground. Much, much easier and safer to execute than Venge's swap, and incredibly effective. This can work in a variety of ways...

Now, imagine another scenario where panda has blink dagger himself...!!!!! Blink into 2 or 3 heroes farming next to tower, grapple them away into 3-4 of your teammates waiting for the kill... Incredibly potent, much more effective than Venge's swap, can completely destroy a push by the enemy and literally win the game in one move. I believe this is complete ownage, although I simply don't use him that much. I don't like cute little pandas, I like GRRR!!! IMMA EAT YOU heroes...

Oh wow did loze get owned. He won't be back, he never is really. I'm surprised at how many people responded so quickly, cheers.

I said this was a good guide already. Baaa.

r u s2pID or soMetHIng??
MjoLlnir IS an orb eFFeCt!!
FOOL!!!!!
Orb eFFect Dont StaCK EOS!!
FOOL!!!!1

@the emo dude above me:

Hm...if I was a mod, I'd give you a warning, not for flaming, but for sheer stupidity...

Try getting EoS and Mjollnir in a game, and come back to apologize.

Greedy, can't you see hes too idiot to do that... You, emo fool person, SKADI RANGED IS NOT ORB. Go read it, anywhere, THEN COME BACK AND APOLOGISE.

why put mjollnir if he isn't AGI?. TOTAL WASTE of money. blabbing about the passive chain lightning?? HECK! it CAN'T KILL! what matters most is his damage and attack speed and you said yourself that storm has a WEAK AGILITY GAIN.. Why not desolator and hyperstone?. I'm just being logical here.. I haven't rated this strategy yet. you'll just be embarrassed.

...

Hes already specified to get Guinsoo AND Skadi before the Eaglehorn to finish Mjollnir. HE KNOWS. WE KNOW. SHADUP.

I hate having to do this. I really do.

@ Emo dude


Dude....Lol Do you even read EOS when your using a range hero???


Oohhh wheres the "Orb effects dont stack" I dont see it anywhere when all of us use Range heroes.

Because EOS IS NOT AN ORB if your using a range hero

Whos the fool now fool! Dont make us Post The list of Orb effects that stack with skadi.....


@Loze

Hmmm yeah i agree with everybody Loze is a loser this is how all losers act and no i read this in a book and the way i look at it its true some people all over the world act like this even me sometimes thats why i try to change my actions and attitude.

Loze your a loser you give criticisim but dont take any.


I wanna see you make a guide( Has he made any)


Do you know how many hours we put our efforts in making each frickin guide.... Dont even mention The pictures going through every good replay catching the good perfect moments, making good builds, thinking about strategies and etc.

Gahhh i hate it when people comment about crappy things just like that emodude who posted about orbs.


Making guides is nice and cool it has its pros and cons but it takes too much time for instance I used up 3 hours of my time just to add more info at my Phantom lancer guide.

In short...... If you want to give criticism and dont accept anything GO MAKE YOUR OWN GUIDE better yet get banned....(Sorry for this long yet not that harsh words)

12/10.lol.its juz too good.how bout try buriza?

@ blooo + anyone else who cares = hes made a Sven guide on DS which I thought was really good but I realise now was actually really obvious. And that is all, no others.

@ To anyone did/going to flame me a lot UNREASONABLY !!!
*My head is burning HOT*
I mean no offense: please check my guide's effectiveness and authenticity before you let your very own stupidity aka knowledge's insufficiency bring yourself down. Do not use some words like "F00L", "blabbing about.." or "U R ST2P1D"... I honestly HATE the insults ! Even it is not as good as you require because of your professionalism , at least show some respect to it ! Every guide was done and got approved after many tireless efforts , how would you feel if someone just simply call it a crap ? For me, I almost stopped making this guide due to my browser's conflict, I lost my spirit but I rise again. Now look what have I done .
*Feel very cool-headed now *

@fwii~
Nice criticisms !
1.Overload is great but it takes time to charged. With based attack speed, you cannot harass effectively without a speed buff of E.Rave. This is situational problem. I will get Barrier instead of E.Rave if I face dangerous nukers.
2.MkB & Radiance are good DPs items, I will take it into consideration .If you love those items, please tell me which one you would replace for ? PT/BoT cannot be replaced, Mael/Mjo and Sheepstick are core items. EoS grants much attribute and very precious Cold effect. Last two optional item are very hard to make unless you have a epic game which rarely occur. Again, tell me which one you want to replace ?

@Greedygood
Thanks for supporting me by imagining that nice scenarios. I was so confused to decided whether that scenarios are good example to write. Now you share the same idea with me !

a nice strategy...love it to the max

What if maelstrom gets activated the same time you released overload. Which overides?

What if maelstrom gets activated the same time you released overload. Which overides?

@Author:
Looks like this got in. I see you brewed up quite a storm yourself, if I may say so. Also, creativity is nice, but the combo section can be weeded down to a few really good tricks.

@Flames/stupidity:
Please don't bother posting, it makes the scrolling longer.

@loze:
I advise you to be more open-minded and more constructive in your criticisms.

@general public:
Defending the guide's integrity is nice, but having 3 people bashing every flamer is more trouble than its worth.

That is all.

Flamers get flamed!! When there is a smoke, there's a fire?? Nahh.. someone just got flamed nyahaha!!
Criticism is good but make sure it dwells into constructive interaction between members for good, which leads to informative discussions, not by bragging lousy honorable dishonor sh*ts!!

Well to put things in perspective emo dude wasn't the only person who's made the mistake before. I'm sure theres been tons of people whos made the mistake, commented about it, discovered their mistake, and every1 is happy. (myself included)

Also notice that he put a at the end of his comment showing that even tho his comment "flamed" its the more "minor" kind of flaming so to speak. Don't think it deserved 2-3 long comments of bashing...

about this guide. Wow its hard to not appreciate somebody putting a lot of effort into this guide. Truly one of the best contributions to DS so far. GJ

Also, flaming is the reason why I'm a bit hesitant to create a guide as well. Stupid criticism boils my blood and it blushes my whole face hehe..
After all, this guide is his midterm project nyahaha!! All skills layed!!
Two thumbs up for you!!

Best guide ever.

I'm a unreasonable flamer? Please read carefully. I stated the following; that I didn't learn very much except another item build, that this hero isn't really a team hero and that no one in public games will decide to go Euls and Guinsoos. If I really did flame, you should try and quote my wrongs or else your the criticizer. I also made no insults and such. If I'm wrong about this hero, please correct me by going to www.meetyourmakers.com. Please find a pro player in league games who uses this hero. If you do so, I'll proudly admit my incorrect statement "that this hero isn't very team worthy".

So, seeming what I comment is criticizing and flaming, I suppose what you say is also criticism. @Blooo, you are one funny guy, assuming I was flaming with insults. The reader is free to make comments without insults, so the author may also learn as well. I state again, I had no intentions to insult the author. Blooo, the people like you who stir up assumptions create propaganda, pertinent to nothing.

Also, I agree with McGuaoMan. There are a numerous amount of contradictions. Also, I agree with him saying "Good for LOW-LEVEL games where the enemies will not be attempting to disrupt your plans."

Evidence provided, proving I like constructive guides. http://www.dotastrategy.com/strategy-4726-NortromTheGlaivethrower.html
Comment 96
http://www.dotastrategy.com/strategy-1310-EpicenterofAttentionSandKingGuide.html
Comment 16
Provide evidence or what you state is weak!! Also I give the link "meetyourmakers.com" so what I state is actually correct, supported and justified.

@mv20vm, is that enough to shut your mouth up? So stop commenting bullshit, when I haven't insulted anyone.

blah blah!! whatever!! You're still a loser hated by any other DS members!! Guilty!!

@mv20vm:
Do not degenerate this into a flame war. Hold your tongue.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised about the reactions to loze's comment. The gist is, he thinks the guide has a bit too much emphasis on items. Followed by his experience on pro play. Though not executed that well with the lack of a suggestive tone and the "em player" comment, which sounds a bit elitist.

@loze-and-other-guys-who-are-fighting

loze, i read your strat for nortrom,, i rated it nice. you're a pro, watch your attitude here, please... don't leave comments that will start a fire... so stop it, guys,, don't insult each other anymore,, it's useless...

*angel mode: on*

even if you hate it, i love this new raijin strategy!!

hey i wanna ask, if u use electric rave + MoM berserk, how fast will raijin attack?? i mean, that 80%+75% extra attack speed is really...

w00weee...

@TO EVERYONE WHO IS ON FIRE
Staying cool and calm will prolong your life by 20 years . Always smile as if you are nuts. If you didn't make anything wrong, don't care about what the others say.

@bagofmilk
If Mael procs at the same time the Overload fully charged, both of them will be released.

@loze
It seems that you are really desperate to protect your point. I love it. Strong will. This flaming war will be never ended except its creator stops it. You want to conclude so let it be. Now let's dicuss about your point:
1."There are a numerous amount of contradictions.". Where is it ? I want a discussion because I planned to make another guide. Please let me know what mistake I got.
2."Good for LOW-LEVEL games where the enemies will not be attempting to disrupt your plans.". We are human players, not robotic players. Do you think low-level players are capable of doing something like that ? If they want to disrupt your plans, so there is no way to win ? One answer for this ridiculous statement : you and McGuaoMan are very passive players. A sensible person is flexible enough to make his way through challenge. If this guide has to state every possibilities which may affect your plans, it takes forever...

To know Mael/Mjollnir 's true power. Play single player mode, farm Mael, take aim at creeps, DO NOT LET HIM AUTO ACQUIRE THE TARGET. With E.Rave level 4 and Overload Level 4, it takes no more 4 second to kill all. I tested with 6.48 with my stopwatch, in 2 second I killed 6 creeps, 4 melee and 2 ranged.

@ loze = quadruple post. Sign of a flamer.
Ah, what have we here... two comments? Wow. Thats all you could find? All you posted ever? I don't care which one it is, we're not impressed by two comments.
Also, more references to this League bullshit. How many times have we said WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR PRECIOUS LEAGUE GAMES?? Drop it! Useless argument!
Oh, we agree on you being a flamer. Just go somewhere else, you're making the guide look bad.

@ anyone paying attention besides loze, well maybe loze = why hasn't he gone for me yet? Perhaps hes a) too stupid to notice, or b) my arguments own him and theres nothing he can do about it and he knows it. Why on earth has he gone for the other two guys when clearly I'm the one who stirred them all up AND I'm doing the most loze-bashing... there, hes after my blood now. Lets see what he can do... touch fire get burned I say.

GOD, get this OVER WITH, the GUIDE must be SUFFERING.

@ loze=ZOMG JUST BURN AND DIE YOU FLAMER!!!

Com. 40; Didn't really like the guide. How did you deduce the 80% increased attack speed is approximately 4000 gold?

Response; Well OBVIOUSLY he means that it costs 4k gold to get 80% IAS.

Com 76+77; Hello? We play DotA for fun we don't play league games, because we actually have LIVES.

Com 78+79; Zomg you are acting like someone caught maphacking 'is that enough to shut your mouth up? So stop commenting bullshit, when I haven't insulted anyone' lol Rage more.

@ Actual guide, awesome man but on your combos for lightning grapple its actually very easy to grapple with mines. 11/10

@ Everyone who reacts to loze except the mods, the EnixBlaze, and loze included:
Shut.
The.
Hell.
Up.

Let EnixBlaze and Loze settle this.
It's their issue, not yours.

I can already see at least 3 people who can be warned. Don't bother commenting on loze and enix's discussion AGAIN.

@ Loze and Enix
Continue discussing but keep it cool. Settle your differences and arrive at a compromise.

@ Loze
Maybe you need to deliver your opinions ins a not-so-offensive way. *shrug* People react in different ways to comments. So try to keep on the safe side.

loved the guide i found nothing wrong with it because amazingly the build looks expensive but ive pulled it off with him in a 50 min game which is often in dota

Please let my guide's comments cool and calm ! It is screaming in the despair of hatred and sorrow !

I like this guide alot. Some concerns have been addressed by others at least (no, not the ones made by the elitist). It's a very nice guide that anyone can use to improver their game.

P.S. Flamers are not welcome here. So are those with a superiority complex.

Hm. Wow, this guide has completely changed in tone since I last viewed it, which was yesterday...

Well, I'm not going to add to the flaming, because I really think everyone can do without (thanks Yukino and QBF), but I do have comments about the comments (not the flaming):

"Good for low level play, where no one will disrupt your plans" (not exact, but keeps the point"

"No one in pubs will get Guinsoo or Euls" (same)

These two statements combined seem to contradict themselves. I've seen many, many pub players who will build Guinsoo out of habit - even seen it on a DK, and was used to good effect.

I believe the author's use of Eul's/Guinsoo shows realization that people ARE out there to disrupt your game plan, and you either need to protect yourself, or disrupt theirs in return. I really do not see the argument that this is "good only for low level play", especially since the author is advocating Guinsoo, which, as you seem to think "no one in a pub game will get Guinsoo". Very contradictory, even though I see your points. Maybe this was written while thinking of the poo poo, so I'm just merely pointing it out, not invalidating it.

Although I'm not a league player (mainly because through this site, I've been exposed to far too many "league players" who think themselves better than others simply through the title), I will stick to my guns that this panda is much, much more versatile and dangerous than Venge, and late game, can be as dangerous as Pudge is at Lvl 6, except against multiple heroes, and not a single target.

Unfortunately, your insistence on "titles" will probably result in your ignoring my comments. That indeed is reason enough for me to want to flame you (such "titles" carry little weight with me), but I will hold my tongue after all that occurred. I believe a truly "good player" will recognize an effective strategy when they see it, and a great player will recommend improvements to strategies that are less so. Waaaay too many "league players" have no concept of constructive criticism.

Something to chew on, please leave your ego at the door. If you really relish being elitist, do what most of them do - hide in your country club and wait for armageddon to come to your door.

@pinky

He didn't write that strategy, fwii did. What loze is saying is that he appreciates a good guide. Great as that may be, there is something called "constructive" criticism; I've noticed anyone spouting the word "league" seems to have completely forgotten the concept of improving your game (help others, that's what these guides are about, not some goddam ego contest of who is better).

Just my two cents.

Thank you, yukino_silvermaine, who have examined the problem carefully.

To Enixblade
I had no intentions to insult you, or to create a hostile relationship. If my tone was in such a hostile way, I apologize. I was angered by the irrational assumptions created by "them" who have not read my passages carefully. Surely, not every human can agree, but I tend to learn by discussing our different beliefs. So, thereby I thank you for contributing time to a guide.

@loze

At the comment 67, I told that I DO NOT people who insults me/my guide with bad words. I swear that I had no intention to consider you as one of them. Do not misunderstand me. Thanks for releasing your anger which will make all of us much happier !

I'd like to make it a point to all DS members that "anyone can play DotA". If that should be our motto, then I'll make it our motto. Because indeed, almost anyone can play this game.

In light of everything that's been said and done, our strategies are meant to help our members learn a thing or two about using different Dota characters. Remember that not everyone is as good as you are. If you think you're so "pro", why not pour some more effort into helping out members who need your help by giving constructive criticisms or making strategies?

Throwing your weight around like a complete fool certainly doesn't prove anything. DS is no place for elitists or ego-trippers.

I agree with almost everything drew just said... one thing. Thats a good motto, but consider: 'Anyone can play DotA: heres how!' Seeing as DS is full of, heh, Dota Strategy...

Ok I'm not trying to butt in but, loze DOES bring up a good point about everyone getting euls. IMO i am certain that i would never be able to convince anyone on a pub to get gusinoo for a non-INT hero, so does anyone have anyone suggestions.
Plus i am against getting rave so early. Overload is enough to establish lane control for me, and maxing barrier is more effective in keeping you in your lane especially againest nukers.
so wut do you think guy.

nice start dude .... a bit 2 long din excatly read all of it but helped me alot tried this start made the items and went beyond godlike achived all goals ^_^

ok here's my comments:

1. skill build
i think it is better to max overload first, then barrier/stats depending on the number of nukers in the game. then only max rave when after getting your first damage item. here's why:
overload, unlike attack speed helps more in last hitting because of the bonus damage. to hit once per second is not different from hitting 1.1 times a second when all you want is to last hit. that's why getting rave is not a good idea. barrier on the other hand provides good defense against nukers, which dominates the from early to mid game so its good to max it after overload. stats are better than rave early game because it adds damage which is more helpful than more attack speed. it also adds some hp for early game survival. i can only think of two cases where rave is useful early game: first is to harass more. you can certainly harass more if you have more attack speed, but instead of mere jabs, why not give stronger punches by getting stats instead? the other case is pushing. but like you said, pushing early game is not good.

with that i hope i can convince you that barrier/stats > rave early to mid game.

2. item build
first i really dont know your plan for raijin. do you want a dps? a support? you get maelstrom as your first item. maelstrom is a farming item. now after getting a farming item, you get guinsoo, which is primarily a support item. my point is, i think you are making him a dps hero, but your items are not fit for dps heroes. you only get the major dps items very late game, and sometimes games are over before you can even get these items. in short, your build lacks mid game firepower.

so here's my suggestions: maelstrom is ok though i personally prefer radiance as a farming item. however, after getting your farming item, get your dps item next since your job is to dish out damage. leave the disabling to your allies' support heroes.

3. guide layout
the guide is quite long, but the unnecessary pictures, not huge blocks of text made the guide long. instead of posting every combination for late game builds, just list and explain the possible late game items.
also instead of listing every combo possible, naming a few would suffice.

Lol. Why so harsh on the unnecessary pictures, they're funny...

I dunno if anyone else here said it already but u can also use grapple to grab ur opponent to ur tower. :P
Sneak up behind enemy when he has few creeps left near him and grab that sucker!

nice guide

@eyefury,

I think he's playing the panda to his strengths. Since he's an INT DPS hero, Guinsoo makes a lot of sense, because it provides good damage, given he can translate that INT to damage. Admittedly MKB or Burize will do more pure damage, but Guinsoo will allow him to do more TOTAL damage, and be effective in a team environment. In that sense, getting Guinsoo for DPS is understandable. Besides, it does as much damage as Battlefury or Radiance for similar cost, and provides all that mana support too. But, I'd definitely get an MKB/Burize before upgrading Mael to Mjol.

You don't like the pictures? Awww, less QQ more lol:..!!!

@sunkaradoss:

Comment 57

Oh, and lastly, Guinsoo will help him escape a gank while he farms those items. I don't get why people think Grapple is an escape device - it's absolutely horrendous at that purpose - Grapple a N'aix WITH YOU when you flee??

@eyefury
Guinsoo's effectiveness: My guide and Greedygood told it.
Maelstrom is Raijin's arsenal in mid-game. Upgrading it into Mjollnir is very wise choice after finishing Guinsoo: Chain Lightning Damage is 200 (Mael's dmg is 150), cast Static Charge on your focus-fired hero will do much damage when 20% chance that a 200 damage Static Charge will strike the attacking unit.

you have not answered my questions regarding the skill build. and it seemed that my point was not fully understood.

as for the item build, im still not convinced on your mael-guinsoo combo for mid game due to the following reasons.

you said mael is your arsenal mid game, i say its not good enough, and you need a better dps item. so i think, getting guinsoo after mael is not a good choice.
im not against guinsoo, i just think its not good to get it after your farming item(mael). hex is nice, i mean great, but guinsoo isnt fit to be a damage item. like what ive said, being a carry hero means you need to maximize damage and hp before anything else. disables like hex should be prioritized not by you, but by your support allies.

a mjollnir rush would be much better.

so what im suggesting is to get a dps item (mkb or buriz) after maelstrom.

also, another thing i have not mentioned in my last post:
orb effects
you chose maelstrom as raijin's orb effect without comparing it to other orb effects. the only advantage of maelstrom over other orb effects is that it is pretty cheap, and it is a farming item.
however, in terms of other areas, other orb effects are better. deso for example provides a huge boost to dps for a cheap price. its major disadvantage is that it does not stack with skadi. lifesteal is another good orb effect, and i think its better than chain lightning. with your high attackspeed and damage from some dps items, the lifesteal will really help in terms of survival. the downside is that it does not give you damage. other orbs are also good. so i want you to justify why maelstrom/mjollnir >> other orbs.

one reason is probably farming. well, radiance is also a farming item so why not radiance + other orb?

@eyefury

You seem to be very insistent on getting your point across. On top of that, you definitely have your own playing style for this panda...why not write your own guide?

@eyefury
"you said mael is your arsenal mid game, i say its not good enough..." . That's my point and my style of playing game, there is no way to convince a characteristic person not to be himself.
Then may I ask you a question ? Egg appeared first or hen appeared first ??? *EniX: Egg did ! Egg hatched into hen !
*eyefury: Without hen no one could hatch eggs !
Who is right then ? Every one has his very own point so don't push the others to think the same.

nice strat

but, why buy M'jollnir WITH skadi, is'nt it the're both orb effect?!
does it works?
IT WILL BE A 8/10

Above post is sad. EoS Ranged is NOT AN ORB.
I didn't know Deso didn't stack properly with Skadi until this afternoon: picked up a leaver Deso, finished Skadi, and went Oh come on... I am sad about that -.- consider that I needed the slow for my build too.

Here is the alternative build:
* Satanic: Insane life-steal
* Guinsoo: Mana + Damage
* Buriza : Multiplier + Life-steal = GG
I tried this once because my team had already got 3 carry heroes. Guess what ? I pawned off N'aix while he got: x2 Heart, 1 Satanic.

i like this guide coz i admit that im a noob player so i used characters that are easy to control and manipulate so thanks for the infos!!!!!

nice guide' but I've different item buid

my item build :
1. EOS
2. PT
3. Radiance
4. Buriza
5. Helm of dominator

err..
i juz started play dota...
so could u tell me raijin buy wat item is the most powerful??

^Have you read the strat??Sheesh

Wow another sad post. I agree, read the damn guide... thats what its for...

wooooot

I build Raijen like this
Mjolnir
MKB
MKB
Skadi
Treads
Meka
Grapple +Meka is good too!

omg... u think rajin is so strong? even if he has the best items completed he stands no chance against slardar and the like...This strategy takes into account the the opponent has to items. Give a DT or a Slardar cuirass and butterfly.. rajin with all those items would melt like CHEeeeeSSsseeeee anyway... u shud learn.. goodjob in animating though

its not going to work well dumbass..it'll be hard to execute..geez

@Squeky
Ok... I killed Sladar when he got: Assault Cuirass, Butterfly, Mask Of Madness, Power Treads, Cranium Basher. NO KIDDING . I got this alternative build: Guinsoo, Buriza, Satanic, Eye Of Skadi, Assault Cuirass and Power Treads.
I used Sheep stick alot and took advantage of Overload to slow him down not to let the Bash proc constantly. My HP reached 350 when he died. If you considered Sladar and "the like" as Permabasher then please, who can beat them 1 on 1 if they has best item build ???

*Agrees with above post*

i prefer hand of midas as first item, to this hero. It makes him a great farmer, + usefull AS. After that u choose the strategy.

ns strategy i learn a alot can't w8 to try it (^ ^)

Great strat!10/10 from me bro!

Great guide, probably the best I have read so far on this page. Especially the item build is great. For the skill build: I prefer maxing overload early to harass the opponents hero and if you have a hero on your lane who annoys you with spells get lvl2 barrier early.

So the dream items really includes guinsoo??

So the dream items really include guinsoo??

Why can't use MoM as a starting item?

@mv20vm
I was deeply moved by eyefury's point. Take a look at this chart(sorry I'm too busy making Puck's guide so I can't change my guide now).
Image URL(copy to browser's address bar: http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5408/waysofitembuild3ps8.png

@chain#frost
Sorry for being so harsh about suitable orb-effect of Raijin. Having MoM has its good and bad aspects:
*Good: Life-steal + Insanely Mad Attack Speed + Overload = Monster mid game.
*Bad: When MoM is activated, Raijin will be bring down very quickly if he takes tons of combo and disables. MoM has lack of farming ability and not reliable for Raijin by the late game.

@Author
Great guide! very2 detailed n informative.. i'll look forward to ur next guide whichever hero it might be. 10 of 10 of course.

u r too cool nice strategy

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooo!!
Great combos but true fantasies.
Great Strategy for Raijjin.
Totally got everything there.
Nice work on the combos and items .
Lovely strategy.Even ur English was alright.Hi-5 4 u dude !!!!

Guinsoo first before maelstorm??

meh you people and ur fancy items and ur terminology and your abuse your clogging up the page with ur words.
good guide btw i love getting mjolnir witht his guy and putting static on cause when ur in a big battle all you can see is lightning lol. also deso would work well if you are only having trouble killing one of there heroes before you get mjolnir or maelstrom so you can kill any tank who always seem to wander by themselves. also grapple is wikkid and i think a more indepth guide should be made about its uses with pictures and detailed descriptions simply because i know way tooooooooooo many people who dont understand how to use it and son dont get it. very kewl for confusing enemy hero when they try to run away, just like swapping. i remember also when raxing an enemy base all their tema respawned at basically the same time and i was panda and i got to my team just before the enemy did and i grappled my whole team away from teh enemy to safety cause we all woulda died otherwise lol and they were all like wow how the hell did we survive that hahaha. meh

Great Guide
Thanks for sharing!

Rating: 10/10

@mv20vm(comment 135)
Get Maelstrom first because it greatly improve farming ability when your atk speed is insane with E.Rave.

steady guide...

nice guide.i giv it 10/10.keep up the good work.

WOW, Incridible Strategy. I like it very much. You explain the strategy very detail, from little things(that not everyone know) to bigger thing. I have an idea also for L.G.(Lighting Grapple). Buy Lothar's Edge, use it and go behind the enemy heroes, cast L.G. directly to tower or enemy heroes allied. Any way can you make strategy again for all heroes? hehehe (I hope u will)

nice guide thanks for the cool info ^_^

thx for your god's guide...
igot beyond GODLIKE when i using raijin

i liked the overall guide but one noobish equip i saw was guinsoo.....purge cancels guinsoo so making guinsoo sounds redundant.....

Not 100%, but I think overload is a "purgeLIKE" effect, in that it slows the target like purge for about 1/2 second. I haven't seen it actually purge anything though...just an observation.

SUPER NICE GUIDE!!!!! OWNED WITH DIS ONE

just wondering...will juggys omnislash be countered by shield?

VERY WELL DONE

I LOVE U

Good effort.
Bad idea with Mealstrom.
Otherwise good info.
MOM rocks with this dude.
>.>

To answer the omnislash Question.
No. Sheild does not protect.
But it should >.

gotta love mjonnir + skadi

nyc

fukin noob face..... maelstrom n skadi dont stack noob face

@Godfatherxxxx
I highly appreciate your mannerism: "fukin noob face..... maelstrom n skadi dont stack noob face". May be you want to joke but what is the "fukin noob face" ?

NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!!
Good guide, very badass guide. the visual is very helpful in getting your ideas through, and a complete idoit can use this guide to pwn. how do i know? i did =p

Suggest giving Godfatherxxxx a warning or an outright ban because

1) he's absolutely wrong, and

2) Exceptional display of exactly how NOT to post in these forums...

Just a suggestion.

Kudos to the writer,very well done.

Sparkling strategy if u know what i mean.

@ post 153 = you are a dumbass, get off these forums. Read more than two words and you will see that EoS Ranged IS NOT AN ORB. Already said this at least twice on this guide alone... JESUUSS.

@ post 154 and 156 = *nods* especially banning part. Hey, drew! Over here!

I love the detail!!like reading a comic book!
10/10 for your visual!
but that is a very very expensive pack of items you have, you can never get those items on one game unless you are playing with a bunch of...(i hate to say noob)
nice detail btw, I must try it sometime, with some noob of course hwehehe

omg. good job wit e raijin guide dude! :) i like e combo ones.been practisiing alot and am almost getting e timing right! woot..

poor you! i don;t like your style against strong late game heroes like those permabashers and crtical hitters.

u suggested in your guide that everyone in the team should buy Eul's and go directly to the enemy's tower??!!!

Here in cebu city philippines, particularly in the university of san carlos, that's a noob move dude!! that style is only for lossers... that;s what we call "backdoor"!! try to do it here in san carlos and everyone would be yelling at you!!

Lol from what I experienced after seeing your guide, I got a Wicked Sick LOL... Thanks a lot man, keep up the good work.

@The post above: The author and u don't live in the same environment, don't assume anything.

@catayasgenro
..Yes, I'm loser, i'm noobish player... Would you mind searching for a while with this keyword "Back door", you may find the post whose original poster was me. You can see what ~fwii said and then you should start think twice before you call some1 a loser or not. One more thing is: I'm not filipino so I wouldn't care if every one in that university calls me "%@#%@#" for doing backdoor, because I understand no filipino
Hope they won't flame me with English or especially Vietnamese, in my country, when you play against noobs, they will curse your ancestors with unspeakable words if you dare to backdoor.

hey.. i cant find your "back door".. i wanna read it.. anways, about my comment.. don't take it seriously, i just exaggerated it to show that going back door is not a good move..

EnixBlaze you are from Vietnam??? What a suprise, I am reading a guide from my fellow countrymen XD

EnixBlaze you are from Vietnam??? What a suprise, I am reading a guide from my fellow countrymen XD

EnixBlaze you are from Vietnam??? What a suprise, I am reading a guide from my fellow countrymen XD

@catayasgenro
I'm still searching for it but try this instead:
http://www.dotastrategy.com/forum/ftopic5751.html&highlight=illegal

@QKVenGeaNce
HI my companion

hey i have a question with his ulti?does lightning grapple pull raijin to the enemy or the enemy being pulled to him cuz i was playing and use his ulti and i am confused????????????????

@terror_slayer
Every hero on 2 side will be grappled to where you click the ulti as a destination.

one of the most precise guide i ever read... gud hob, esp with the team killing section...

Great guide.Sand King and Storm Spirit and enemy does nothing but (tries to) run . 10/10

your team killing method is quite cool...
can combow with many heroes...
exmple rylai,veno,tidehnter

no pictures of team killing method
or screenshots..

8/10

@EniXBlaze:

GJ! Nice strategy. Works perfect on pubs. How about some nice Raijin replay starting u? That would be nice...

great guide.really works in any situation

@EniXBlaze
thnx EniXBlaze now i understand wat his ulti does

DETAILS... sooo MARVELOUS.! 10/10!

great guide, very informative.

best guide... EVER!!!

Wow....what a guide...so detailed X-X I'm gonna go blind... haha... I like the idea of Mjolnir...but I kinda like deso and mkb for him aswell.. so if i have deso and mjol...normaly when i dont trigger the lightning will the deso orb hit...or when both in my inven totaly wont stack ??

^-^ Future top guide ! 10/10

Nah I like it! Item builds are just very complicated but just got the feeling that its is really good! 10/10

@KydreamZz
Deso and Mael aren't stackable to each others.The item's orb effect depends mostly on how you place it in your inventory. For more information, try this:
http://dota.mikaelsunde.se/itemorbeffects.png

Very good effort on the guide.

However, you may want to review the item/skill build.

For example, wtf is Maelstrom doing on Storm? If you do any mathcraft at all, it is pretty obvious MkB/Deso DESTROYS any other build in terms of dps.

The skill build is quite confusing perhaps you should stick with Minipurge/Barrier and get ult at 9,11,16. Get your steriods at 10,12-14.

Very good effort on the guide with lots of pictures and explanation. But you really need to play some games and maybe so some theorycraft before posting a guide.

Go make more amazing guides

meh i woulnt build like that. and arent skadi and mjollnir both orbs? they wouildnt stack?

Before this i was just an amaetuer, after reading this, i'm able to fight with the pros. Thanks alot.

fast attacking hero good build but you need to modify it so it can grow more stronger

i think this guide is quite complete.............. and yeah with even average dota players, those combo-conversion rates are quite reasonable........... my friend likes to do this one thing........ he takes a lothar's, turns on windwalk and moves next to his target and then grapples the poor soul into techies landmines!!!! lolz........ they dont see the grapple comin, it makes those combos much easier to carry out....... its just a suggestion, i'm definitely gonna give this guide a 10/10......... also you can try kelen's dagger to move next to foe and then grapple, but i would prefer lothar's........ also, i totallly agree that raijin is a killing machine!! seeing his attack speed, one should DEFINITELy give him as much damage as possible, preferrably a buriza......... anywayz great guide dude, u musta spent ages makin this one...........

lol lightning grapple pwns ass with chasing and running, and barrier kicks stunners' @$$

zomg man...
i just pwned techies's ass with barrier, rave, and grapple xD

@weave:

2 words: Explain "theorycraft".

Again, I see only trash talk and no constructive criticism. Such comments are called trash talk for a reason - they add nothing to the discussion.

Also, MKB and Deso do not help you farm later in the game, when annihilating creep waves is more important than last hitting. Also, 150 lightning damage is comparable to MKB mini-stun, and mael's half the cost.

WHAT A GREAT GUIDE NICE DETAIL AND THE ULTS WITH GRAPPLE ROFL NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT SHIT AT!! CALL ME A NOOB NOW ROFL NJ NICE GUIDE

A fun combo is grapple only like 1-3 people into forest and have Yunero ulti and overloard the runners so he can bladefurry them.

bummer.....

great strategy.......maybe best ever.....though I do recommend geeting eul's scepter of divinity before the oblivion staff; as cyclone is extremely useful

nice n kewl..
very informative n easy to understand..
thanks for all

This hero and the guide rocks. I've just tried this just last saturday and sunday and I just discovered myself that he is a good farmer and a pusher too but in early game, I just don't push like a madman but I just keep on denying and harassing some heroes(I just attack them and they run away, scared to die).

Great Guide, exactly how raigin should be played.

mjolnir + skadii do stack try it in single player on roshan : ) i will create a new topic about orb items in suggestions.

my build goes as so.... i ignore rave nd barrier in beginning while i concentrate on ovrload nd stats in beginning... wen i hav enuf cash (around 7000 buks @ lvl 9) i go buy a couple of hyperstones....then i go 4 the EoSns SoulBoostr...... could sum1 comment on the flaws in this build???

my build goes as so.... i ignore rave nd barrier in beginning while i concentrate on ovrload nd stats in beginning... wen i hav enuf cash (around 7000 buks @ lvl 9) i go buy a couple of hyperstones....then i go 4 the EoSns SoulBoostr...... could sum1 comment on the flaws in this build???

@Infernus1986
There is a problem of your build: Lack of Dps items. Bunch of Hyper Stones and Overload won't help if your damage is pathetic. EoS is good item to make but it's hard to rush during early-2-mid game. Soul Booster is absurd item for Raijin since he's more like a DPSer. I suggest you to rush some DPS items early game like Maelstrom, Desolator. It should work much better than your build.

Nice guide!

Anyway, i'm still a newb(not noob, i learn quickly) to this game and i didn't really care much for the storm...till i saw your guide . So thanks man! Iam relly gonna try this later....

Anyway, on to a different topic.
I have 2 questions to anyone who cares to answer: first (and newb) qustion: Do spells=skills? second(and maybe not so newb) question: If Luna casts Eclipse on you while Barrier is active, will its effect activate on each beam? i mean, it is basically, Luna's 1st skill x10 at lvl 3. So, what is it?

sorry, shouda been more specific about the second question. what i meant was: will Barrier block 600 damage from each of the luscent beams thrown at raijin during Luna's ulti, or will it just block 600 dmg for the whole ulti? tnx

VERY NICE COMBO NAMES You must have LIGHTNIGH reflexes

In my opinion it's a great strategy, but manta is also great with this hero because Overload works on illusions too and it drains your's opponent's mana very quickly ...Also you said that heroes like magina(permabashers)are unstoppable in late game which is not correct. In my experience heroes with powerful AoE's(treant,sand king,earthshaker...), mighty nukers such as fletcher, razor..., and heroes with illusions can(in lot of situations the are) more deadly than permabashers(especialy if they have manta). I mean if you have team with void or magina etc. , it doesn't have to mean that you are going to win the late game, and it doesn't have to mean that you are even going to win 1vs1 !(for example lancer owns all permabashers in late game if he has at least manta).
Anyway great strategy and I give you 10/10. GJ!

In my opinion it's a great strategy, but manta is also great with this hero because Overload works on illusions too and it drains your's opponent's mana very quickly ...Also you said that heroes like magina(permabashers)are unstoppable in late game which is not correct. In my experience heroes with powerful AoE's(treant,sand king,earthshaker...), mighty nukers such as fletcher, razor..., and heroes with illusions can(in lot of situations the are) more deadly than permabashers(especialy if they have manta). I mean if you have team with void or magina etc. , it doesn't have to mean that you are going to win the late game, and it doesn't have to mean that you are even going to win 1vs1 !(for example lancer owns all permabashers in late game if he has at least manta).
Anyway great strategy and I give you 10/10. GJ!

I'm just wondering, so you said that buy DPS items first before others like assault cuirass but then when I played, I usually buy assault before Mjolinir but I have Maelstrom already, so is it good or not?

can u make a video using raijin???

i gave you a 9... very well done, but its always good to have room for improvement, used your guide a few games now, good item build but theres just 1 thing i'd like to see... Upload some replays, replays are always good just to see how you move etc. they dont have to be amazing just to give an even more visual idea of whats happening. If you added some replays id give you 11/10

one more thing, i tried the ulti killer build but replaced the MKB with the new Orchid benevolence item since my opponent was TS....and let me tell u, it did way better than MKB...soul burn>100 dmg when it comes to him... apparently... gonna try the shivas guard when im up against heroes with good escape ability...i.e.magina..lol frost attack=pwnage? maybe

ive always liked raijin,but i nvr knew how to use him to the fullest potential.this guide is helpful in unleashing his ultimate strength(atk spd!!!)rock on!!!!

just a stupid question.. does the overload skill or raijin removes the status of poly morph? i believe that the overload skill has a purge like effect and it dispells buffs.. due to raijin's insane aspd overload will sure be present within 3 sec thus, removing the polymorph buff.. clarifications?

i like your illustrations!...

convincing!..

rating: passed!

Nice strategy guide dude.. I like the build. With that attack speed combined with EoS, there's definitely no way your opponent/s could run away. And in case he did, you still have the lightning grapple on your side. But in case it isn't ready yet, you have the Guinsoo's Scythe on you. And the Mjollnir, a nice item for easy creep kills, no worries on gold. This hero can kill anyone in his sight no sweat! Definitely to get a GODLIKE! streak for this. Bwahahaha.. I'm gonna try this strategy if I have the time.

Nice strategy, but i hate the grammar..
Anyways, this is not an english lecture, so then i still give you 9/10 for this one

your speech is toooooooooooooooo long

cuttie hero pic w/ a charged bolt on it!!!

cuttie hero pic w/ a charged bolt on it!!!

Wow! That's awesome!

Thx for da info dude. Really appreciate it.

Thanks for the strat!

nice strategy i love it is a lot of information

2 comments:
a.what about hp regen?using flasks affects your xp-gain n they cost-specially if u have to face chars like deathbringer u need to have plenty of them.Bloodstone is efficient and occasionally crucial for this char coz it boosts hp n mana points n regen,surely is an item to consider!
b.i didn